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bob jenkins Tue Apr 12, 2011 08:46am

I think we're in violent agreement here. The correct mechanic and the teaching is to look for the ball. The bad habit is to continue to stare at the base.

NCAA noticed that "too many" were falling into the bad habit and need to go (back) to the correct mechanic.

MikeStrybel Tue Apr 12, 2011 09:05am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 749541)
I think we're in violent agreement here. The correct mechanic and the teaching is to look for the ball. The bad habit is to continue to stare at the base.

NCAA noticed that "too many" were falling into the bad habit and need to go (back) to the correct mechanic.

Thanks Bob, that was my point. I introduced it to the thread to differentiate how this would be viewed differently in collegiate baseball but how many pro umpires are now looking for more than the immediate snare of the ball.

GA Umpire Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:38am

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Originally Posted by Simply The Best (Post 749391)
Sure does. Ethics before comfortableness. Slap on a pair of cahoonas and get the call right.

The game, the players and most of all, you should require it.

At the end of the day, when you are stripping your gear and heading out, if you have left your self-esteem and your honesty on the field, the postgame brewskis will only subdue your shame for the night.

There is nothing unethical about making a call and handling one's own business. And, we do require ethics, or as much as we can enforce legally from players, coaches, and umpires.

Each umpire has a job to do and this one failed at his. His job is to make calls at 1B, not rely on U2 to bail him out when he makes a mistake. And, then that umpire has to take the heat for U1's lack of "cahoonas". In essence, U1 "dropped the ball" worse than F1. And, "unethically" created a problem for U2 which wouldn't have been if U1 would have just done his job in the first place.

U1 screwed the whole play up and let U2 take the blame for it. That is the "unethical" part of it.

Adam Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:01am

I'm confused, are you saying that by missing a call, U1 had a lapse of ethics?

MrUmpire Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:04am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 749541)
I think we're in violent agreement here. The correct mechanic and the teaching is to look for the ball. The bad habit is to continue to stare at the base.

NCAA noticed that "too many" were falling into the bad habit and need to go (back) to the correct mechanic.

Thanks, Bob, that was my point. Nothing new about the mechanic.

Welpe Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 749595)
I'm confused, are you saying that by missing a call, U1 had a lapse of ethics?

No, he's saying that by making a call that he disagrees with and then failing to correct it to what he believes is correct, he is lacking ethics or cahoonas or something.

I'm sure RandyBrown has something to say about that, too.

mbyron Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 749597)
No, he's saying that by making a call that he disagrees with and then failing to correct it to what he believes is correct, he is lacking ethics or cahoonas or something.

I'm wondering whether it's kahoonas or cajones. Or, possibly, both. :)

MikeStrybel Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:47am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 749596)
Thanks, Bob, that was my point. Nothing new about the mechanic.

I didn't see anyone mention that it was a new mechanic, just a point of emphasis this year for the NCAA.

Umpmazza Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:45pm

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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 749126)
In January, the NCAA's Tom Hiler spent a good bit of time explaining the voluntary release of the ball at first base and the need for umpires to watch for it rather than stare at the base (as has been habit for the past few decades). Did Floyd exhibit control? I know this is OBR versus NCAA (the rule is different regarding control). Just asking.

The new OBR rule will talk about the same voluntary release...as the NCAA has.. you see it soon.. I go to hear the rule changes a month ago.


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