base running appeals

[ump50]

I get confused on who can score on a appeal
Question one R1 is on third,R2on second and R3 on first with two outs.B6's
doulbe sends all runners home.B6 is thrown out at third and the defense legally and properly appeals R3 misses second base.How many runs score
A.0 B.1 C.2 D.3 I believe the answer would be C.2 because they score before
R3 misses the base

Question two DH At the start of the game,Jones is the Dh,batting for Harris,the second baseman.In the third inning Harris bats for himself.In the fifth inning the coach wants Jones to re-enter and bat for Harris U1 will
A.not allow the substitution.The role of the DH ended when Harris batted for himself
B. allow the substitution,but Harris is out of game
C. Not allow the substitution.Jones can re-enter the game later but not in Harris batting position
D.Allow the substitution.Harris can re-enter the game later as long as he occupies his original batting position
I believe the answer is B

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ump50

I get confused on who can score on a appeal
Question one R1 is on third,R2on second and R3 on first with two outs.B6's
doulbe sends all runners home.B6 is thrown out at third and the defense legally and properly appeals R3 misses second base.How many runs score
A.0 B.1 C.2 D.3 I believe the answer would be C.2 because they score before
R3 misses the base

Appeal outs are based on the time of the appeal, not the time of the infraction.

The runners from 3B ands 2B score because they scored before the appeal.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Appeal outs are based on the time of the appeal, not the time of the infraction.

The runners from 3B ands 2B score because they scored before the appeal.

Rich,

Unless, of course, the runner was "forced to" the base he missed at the time he missed it - like in ump50's 1st question (I'll blame the screwy FED nomenclature of "R3 on 1B for this one). Since the "apparent 4th out" on the appeal becomes the 3rd out of the half inning, no runs score on the play.

The answer is" "A. 0"

In the second question, both Jones and Harris are "starters", therefore each has the privilege of leaving the game once and re-entering under FED rules.
When Harris "bats for himself" Jones must leave the game (1st time). Since
Jones was a starter, he may re-enter the game as the coach wishes. If he does, Harris will have to leave the game (1st time). As a starter, Harris has re-entry privileges.

The correct answer is "D".

JM

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Appeal outs are based on the time of the appeal, not the time of the infraction.

The runners from 3B ands 2B score because they scored before the appeal.

Aw, Rich - you never miss one... The appealed runner was forced - no runs.

[jicecone]

Thats what I get also A & D. Same as JM.

Rich got it half right.

"Appeal outs are based on the time of the appeal, not the time of the infraction."

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Aw, Rich - you never miss one... The appealed runner was forced - no runs.

I think I messed up trying to mentally translate runners positions. If it said R1 missed 2B it would be "normal" and I think I'd have gotten it (knowing I've gotten it in the past).

[UmpJM]

Rich,

Pretty much what I figured - hence my "parenthetical".

JM

[rcaverly]

Ah, the NFHS dyslexia argument; so applicable in so much. Other than fame and fortune, why the NFHS holds on to such tenents is beyond me.

[Rich]

The same reason the softball people try to defend the same nomenclature -- because it's different.

I tried having this argument with someone once and I kept saying, "what's easier, R2 or R1 on second" and I had a softball umpire actually argue that "R1 on second" actually makes more sense. It's impossible to argue with such illogic.

Thankfully, Carl has eliminated all that nonsense and translated FED-speak when writing the BRD.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Thankfully, Carl has eliminated all that nonsense and translated FED-speak when writing the BRD.

I've debated doing the same thing into a Word document. Too much work, and not enough time.