Coach handling??
 

So coach stares at my direction and is chirping to his catcher to do a better job so that umpire can do a better job of seeing obvious strike. I look over and say coach that's enough, he responds by saying I'm talking to my catcher and this is not his first rodeo. I called time walk over and say loud enough so only him and I can hear, that's enough another word and he would be restricted.

How would u guys handle?

Don't give ultimatums.

1. Look over. 2. Warn. 3. Eject.

[QUOTE=MrUmpire;736907]I might ignore first.

[QUOTE=dash_riprock;736908]Yep. That happens first. My 1,2,3 are actions that follow.

The problem with ignoring is that most coaches don't know they were being ignored until you move on to the actions.

1) First contact with coach is between innings; non confrontational; informing him that he is out of line.

"Coach, no more ball/strike comments."

2) Eject

What really amazes me is that coaches actually think that their illogical logic makes sense. I don't know how many times I have a basketball coach wait until I am in front of his bench to start complaining (in a voice load enough for me to hear) to his assistant coaches how lousy the officiating is.

MTD, Sr.

Ignore him. Rabbit ears make for long seasons. Also, try not to stop a game and walk towards a coach for a confrontation. In the era of YouTube and camera phones you may find yourself looking worse as the responder. Most never see or hear what precedes it. The internet is full of videos from fans yelling at an umpire for a perceived over reaction.

I may say something to the catcher, when the batter is away from the box. "You're doing fine son. I'll call the same zone when you're batting." It's subtle and gets the point across.

Back to the question...
 

Handle with care, preferably with heavy thick gloves a radiation suit. :)

Well,
 

I would have three rules on this situation:

1) Ignore.
2) Ignore.
3) Ignore.

Oh I almost forgot -- mental notes have been marked forever in my mind -- the rope gets shorter for other issue.

T

Stop it. Rabbit ears do *not* describe a coach obviously b!tching loudly enough for everyone to hear it. Rabbit ears describe making an effort to hear things that you probably *shouldn't be hearing*. If a coach doesn't want an umpire in his kitchen, he should talk softly enough so the umpire doesn't hear him. The coach doesn't get it both ways.

I'm with ignoring the coach, but if he persists you have no choice but to tell him to knock it off. When the coach comes back with the "I'm talking to the catcher" line, I've responded with "and I'm talking to you".

The rodeo line is funny. Especially since I've seen some very, very bad coaches with 25 years experience. Just like umpires, some coaches have one year of experience 25 times.

Probably the best way to handle it. The coach put the umpire in a no win situation here, but that doesn't mean that 2 innings later when he steps a toe over the line I've forgotten how much of a douche he was before.

My apologies. I don't believe everyone could hear what the coach said, but since I was not there, he may have. I allow coaches to chirp and learned long ago that they have far more invested in the game than I do. While you may have a different definition of rabbit ears, mine works just fine. I don't take issue with things like the one described. It may have been meant for me but the retort he used was enough to indicate how the umpire would look for responding. Ignore it or risk a reputation of looking for fire where there is none.

I once had a coach tell his player to stop complaining because I was the best umpire he would see this year. It meant the same as the coach who complains. I ignore them both, but may smile at one a bit more.

Have a good season.

Ugh.

I mean this with the utmost respect since I have never seen you work a game. Do you allow a coach to bring up your kicked call from earlier in the contest?

Kicked call? His perception of my calls is pretty irrelevant.

I'll answer this with a question: If a coach comes out for the fourth time in a game to argue a call, are you giving him the exact same reception and the exact same reaction as the first time?

I go into every game with a clean slate. During the game, I'd be lying if BS like what the OP described doesn't go into my decision later if a coach comes out and is close to getting run -- it may just push him right into the parking lot.

I will answer your question though you avoided mine, even though you now make the coach argumentative. The OP he was not.

1) I don't have coaches come out to argue that many times. I don't encounter coaches who need to but more importantly, my calls have never warranted four different arguments. I am not insinuating that your calls do.

2) Yes, I try to let coaches ask relevant questions on close plays. I have had coaches come out and ask me how I could make that call only to have me explain it and hear that they weren't even looking but need to make a show of it for their team. I have also had to run coaches who pushed the issue, probably more than you think. Coaches aren't my enemy out there and I try hard to eliminate prior encounters from consideration of the new play. If a coach mentions a prior call I know how to handle it.

I long ago posted that I would ignore the coach in the OP. Many others seem to think that is what we should do. I don't ignore something and then bring it up later. That is not 'ignoring'.

I wish you a good season.

Exactly, the coach cannot have it both ways. Later in the contest, he's already put himself on a short leash for the rest of this contest.

What he does two games later, it all starts over again from page one.

Thanks
David

I'll answer the question for you.....

This is a quick exit for a coach and that is because the statement usually begins with "you". Otherwise, he's probably crossed my line and I am not bothering with him any longer.

I didn't ignore it. I thought it was a silly question, completely irrelevant to the conversation. A coach doesn't get to revisit history on a call. And a coach doesn't get to act in a questionable way that shows up the umpire and assume that this behavior will be forgotten an inning later.

A coach wouldn't make it out of a dugout 4 times to argue without being ejected, so I guess my question isn't really relevant, either.

Depends on the coach, how he wishes to discuss it, what has happened between then and now, if the call was truly kicked, or not, an prior history with the coach, or not, etc etc. You have to weigh all the environmentals.

Which statement, as I read this group, may place you in the minority. Coaches are often called crude and irresponsible names..."rats" comes to mind.

Aw yes, the poisonous, the super-offending, ultrapersonal, vile and vicious "you". :eek:

I appreciate the honesty. I guess some of us simply come from two different schools of umpiring. I'm not bigger than the game and I work to go unnoticed by the players and coaches. I bite when necessary but treat the 'rats' as well as those who heap praise my way. Coaches around here tend to stay in that role for a long time. I've been gone from the States for the past six years and see that many are still calling the shots for their squads. All things being equal, I would rather have a coach respect me for having a short memory and I'll do the same. It's a long season and I don't care to hold grudges. Umpires have no need for more enemies.

I've got a couple more weeks before the season starts around here. Maybe I'll change my mind about those 'rats' yet. ;) To those of you working games right now, I'm pretty envious. Enjoy and be safe.

What does "bigger than the game" mean, anyway? How does one go "unnoticed"? I stay out of the way until I need to be in the way. It's up to the coaches to know how to act and understand the meaning of sportsmanship (and the coach in the OP was not acting in a sportsmanlike manner).

When working a D3 college game a few years ago, I ended up ejecting a head coach from the front half of a DH for grandstanding after I walked away from him (without ejecting him and while putting up with too much of his Weaver-like rant) on a fair/foul call on a bounding smash on the third base line that he thought he saw better from the third base coach's box. In the second game, I called a no-brainer obstruction on a rundown and almost had to eject the *other* coach.

The assignor, who is a "don't be noticed" kind of umpire, asked me if I got a good look on the smash down the line (what kind of a question is that -- since the schools here are too cheap to hire 3 umpires he *knows* the look I got -- a step and a look) and also if I could've avoided the controversy on the rundown by simply not making the call. This was also a season where obstruction was covered extensively in the NCAA meeting and was a point of emphasis in the game (after the rule change, which was reversed this season). So the assignor was, essentially, a coward who cared more about getting a phone call from coaches than backing up his umpires who did the right things on the field. After that DH, I decided that I was done at the end of the season working small college baseball. It wasn't worth the 2+ hour drives, the 18-inning DHers for crap money ($185 at the time for a DH) teams that didn't have any pitching (with games that were 17-16 and DHes that ran 5-7 hours), and the Weaver/Martin kind of managers who thought they were bigger than the game (how come coaches aren't accused of being bigger than the game -- I thought the game was about the PLAYERS).

So I'm just a HS umpire now and I'll live vicariously through an umpire I got started in D3 baseball (who didn't need my help, just a connection) who's going to work a regional this year. And the coaches, on average, respect my work -- I'm a full point above average in the HS coach's ratings we have (and I wish we'd get rid of). And, BTW, I did have one of the rare HS ejections in the state last season (quite frankly, when only 12 coaches get ejected in an entire season my first reaction is that umpires are shying away from taking care of business). And now, my favorite quote from a famous Wisconsin umpire:

"One of the really wrong theories about officiating is that a good official is one you never notice. The umpire who made that statement was probably a real poor official who tried to get his paycheck and hide behind his partners and stay out of trouble all his life. Control of the ballgame is the difference between umpires that show up for the players and the managers." - Bruce Froemming

Rich,
If you do not understand what it means to want to go unnoticed by players and coaches then I can't help you. Froemming's a legend and some of his quotes are among the most memorable in baseball. The one you displayed is just as easily countered by his tasteless reference to a MLB executive as a "dumb Jew *****". Look it up before and see for yourself. His quotes don't carry the same meaning since I first heard that related to a group of us by an ex-MLB umpire. Still, I admire what he did on the field and I hope he gets in the Hall some day. Froemming worked to be noticed and he was.

Bigger than the game means, "Hey look at me." Bruce did this well. Milt Pappas agrees.

Sorry, but I won't take the bait on the matter of ejecting coaches for what they did prior to a contemporary incident. Best of luck this season.

In other words, you won't answer a tough question. Probably because you used your real name to register here and don't want to say anything that will annoy an NCAA or IHSA assignor. Too bad - I'd like to actually hear your opinion on whether a coach's behavior earlier in the game changes the relationship between coach and umpire later in the game.

Worked a summer college league wood bat DH 3-4 years ago, where I tossed the starting pitcher in the 1st inning for cursing at me over a call on the bases.

At the plate meeting for the 2nd game the coach comes out and before handing me the lineup card says he wants to use the starter from the last game since he was tossed so early. It was a statement, but was really a question. I told him that was last game this is this game and I am certainly over it if he is.

Now this is different situation than a coach being a butt early and continuing ast the game goes on. Personal, profane and prolonged with let you tossed. Prolonged can happen in one discussion, or over time as they add up.

If I toss a coach in first game it has little bearing on the second, from my perspective. But during a game the straws can keep piling up until the camel back can't take it anymore. The coaches and players are not bigger than the game either.

And yet you never hear anyone ask a coach if he's bigger than the game -- even in tirades that end up on SportsCenter. And yet we're accused of it if we even try to demand that players and managers respect the game and show proper decorum.

What they say: "You're trying to be bigger than the game" or "It's all about you, isn't it"

What they mean: you won't let me get away with whatever crap antics I want to without paying the price

Just more ratspeak. I don't worry too much about it, except when I have a murine partner who is afraid of being "bigger than the game."

Exactly. At least Bobby Cox was usually getting ejected to support his players and he knew what he was doing would get him ejected, his players would love him for it, and they would stay in the game.

Earl Weaver was another story...

I think you had the right idea. Don't ignore it because we truly do promote what we allow. I think that at the point where you walked over is where I would have done it different. I would have put up the stop sign and issued the official warning. Don't get into a debate with him about just warning and then let him decide how the situation will end.

He was trying to get your attention and he did. You acknowledged him and gave him an informal warning, follow that up with an official warning and then eject. Remember it isn't personal it is just part of the job. As someone said, you walking over can be perceived one way, so just warn and then be ready to act if need be.

Rich, I've been accused of thinking I was "bigger than the game" twice. Once was when I called a balk on a Syracuse pitcher for a move in the 9th inning that I called a balk on their opponent in the third inning.

The second time was when I called a runner out at the plate on a ball buster suicide squeeze that would have tied the game.

By my experience and that of others, I've come to see that the accusation of being "bigger than the game" usually is made when an umpire does his job during a critical moment of the game.

As for umpires who make that accusation against other umpires....they're usually Smittys or wannabees.

Very perceptive IMO. I agree also. The only times I've had that type of stuff thrown my way was when i actually had to make a "big call" usually in a "big game".

Of course, the reason that you are in position to make that "big call" is because you "are" willing to make the right call at the right time, no matter what coaches, assignors, or anyone else wants to say about it

Thanks
David

O.P.

Did the catcher do a poor job framing/presenting the pitch? Was it in or outside? Did you simply miss the pitch?

Most illogical point I've heard by a sports "official" in many years.

I hope you never show up to work a game with me.

Wow.
I didn't want to be dragged into a big 'indicator' contest. I guess it's time to address a few points.

1) I use my name because I feel no need to hide my opinion. I have never mentioned my experience but I am hardly afraid at upsetting the IHSA or NCAA here. They usually don't worry about umpires who act professionally on the field or in a forum.

2) I have worked with Bob Jenkins and he knows that I am hardly a wannabe or Smitty. Still, I have been called names before and sleep fine at night. I will not reciprocate.

3) I refused to answer the question because you failed to extend the courtesy prior. I believe you were baiting me. If an umpire hangs onto memories of past behavior from a coach or player but won't tolerate the same from them, he is being petty and unprofessional. Until I call a game perfectly, I don't expect them to coach one that way.

4) It is hardly illogical to think a coach has more invested in a game than I do. His emotions are expected, mine aren't. I simply call what I see and enforce the rules. I'm not out there to collect war stories for my fellow umpires to drool over or congratulate me. Chirping doesn't bother me, it's a nuisance to those who cannot ignore it.

5) I don't consider coaches 'rats'. For the past six years I served as the umpire director for Asian baseball. I also coached a national team while abroad. The dynamic between coach/player and umpire is civil and respectful. I learned to appreciate that we each have a job to do and mistakes happen. I feel no need to hold grudges on the field. If a coach or player earns an ejection, I take care of it. For the record, I was ejected from a game as coach while abroad. I base my opinion on experience from both sides of the white lines.

6) It is sad to think that some of you believe this is a contest between us. You are entitled to your opinion about rulings and how you handle coaches. I may choose to handle things differently and hope you can appreciate this response as an attempt to douse the fire. I wish you a good day and a safe season.

As you wish. :D

In the context of this thread, if a coach wishes to have a discussion about a call, prior to that the same coach has been warned or been given his time to make comment, then the relationship has been framed from communicative to combative.

Anything else, I'll be pleased to answer. ;)

Most if not all of the forum participants you are ping-ponging with have tens of thousands of posts and years of playing the "forum game". It's a simple one. Take a response, twist the answer to suit their purposes, gang up on the poster en masse, get personal with the comments and insults...wash, rinse, repeat.

It's up to you how you might wish to handle this behavior. I find it best to state my case and move on. When you have the upper hand, why bow down to the miscreants? :D

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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
My apologies. I don't believe everyone could hear what the coach said, but since I was not there, he may have. I allow coaches to chirp and learned long ago that they have far more invested in the game than I do. While you may have a different definition of rabbit ears, mine works just fine. I don't take issue with things like the one described. It may have been meant for me but the retort he used was enough to indicate how the umpire would look for responding. Ignore it or risk a reputation of looking for fire where there is none.

I once had a coach tell his player to stop complaining because I was the best umpire he would see this year. It meant the same as the coach who complains. I ignore them both, but may smile at one a bit more.

Have a good season.
I see nothing illogical in his post at all. It's his way of handling coaches, if it works for him, what's wrong with that?Considering the chances are, what, 1 in a zillion, my bet is you're safe. Truthfully, that's the most illogical point I've heard by a sports "official" in many years. :D

Left handed batter, outside pitch, catcher did a horrible job of presenting pitch all game, and to be honest I probably did miss it but it makes it much easier to ball when the catcher doesnt help out.

IMHO the coach was one of those that just likes to bark and hear himself talk, during the game he was on the far end of the dugout on his phone. The conduct of his players reflected on him. At the end of the day the game got settled between the lines, the opposing team being down 6-2, came back and won 14-6 behind 5 homeruns.

So, troll, why are you here, then? And who were you before you created this new identity?

This is exactly why the question of how to handle coaches is never black and white. You have to take into consideration all the variables; treating coaches and situations with one broad brush approach is a recipe for disaster. Yet I see it all the time mostly from officials who simply don't have the mental savvy to think on their feet. :D

Here you have a coach who deserves very little consideration in terms of dicussing your B/S calls. Or much of any call for that matter as he is not only an arse he's teaching arse to his kids. :D

Cut to the coach who is the exact opposite. Refuses to allow his players to get in your ear and only asks, at the appropriate time and with respect, if you and he can discuss what's going on. Not why you missed the call but what should he and his catcher, in this case, do to to help you in your job. ;)

You see, this coach is getting his point across and enhancing his chances for success and setting a solid, proper example. Let him. He deserves the consideration.

Exactly why would you think that coaches are treated with one, broad brush? A coach gets all the respect he returns in every game and every sport I work. If a coach asks a question the right way and actually listens to the answer and I know he doesn't get upset for no good reason then of course I'll listen when he's upset -- he's proven that he's worth listening to and knows how to treat umpires/officials.

Internet posting is very one dimensional -- it's hard to express nuance from a keyboard. There are some absolutes, as far as I'm concerned (my ejection last season was for being called ridiculous after we had interference on an infield fly that resulted in a double play -- no coach is going to stay after calling me a name), but no good umpire/official is going to survive long without having a mouth AND an ear and knowing when to use the right one at the right time.

If I have learned anything from this discussion and other discussions, how you handle a coach is personal. I deal with coaches how they deal with me. If they want to be bombastic and embarrass me, they will not be around long. I do not bread my butter by the opinions of any coach. I have worked too many games to realize (especially in baseball) they have very little say in anything I do ultimately. They often get who they get because not everyone can work anywhere and at anytime like other sports.

Work your games, learn from other umpires and do your best. If that is not good enough for coaches, they will not be around long enough for it to matter anyway.

Peace

I'm surprised it took Fitty this long to return.

How does one bread their butter then?
:D

Because by some umpires including ones on this forum, they are. Some officials approach is combative (because they are insecure imo), some consider coaches sub-human ("rats" - just another form of insecurity imo). Consequently, every coach they encounter is treated the same either as a combatant or a rat.

To discuss officiating, Thumper. You could help me out with this. What's your take on why this PU got thumped?

YouTube - Catcher Ducks, Umpire Gets Hit With Pitch

Jesus Christ. :D:D

My money's on "InterestedUmp", Fitty's (FitUmp) leader.

IU was better at acting superior while feigning innocence as he stirred the pot and made individual accusations better than Fitty. Fitty was his "me, too" dupe. And, don't forget Fitump56.

Also common in this thread is their habit of seizing on an umpire they perceived to be picked on, usually one who is a bit naive, (remember Canadianump 6?) and then defending him to the hilt. Then there's the trademarrk overuse of the Big Grin smilie when ever he thinks he's being clever.

Check the archives.

Eventually their meanspiritedess gets the better of the and they become downright vicious. We've lost some good posters because of those two.

Mike: Caveat Emptor. Your new "sponsor" will turn on you eventually.

I figured they all came from the same bag of crazy.

Indeed we have. I miss reading Garth's posts on here.

Mr. Umpire and Welp, don't you think your conversation would be best as PMs instead of cluttering up the officiating discussions with off topic ramblings, accusations and general BS? :confused:

There was (is) only one. And you ain't Him.

Care to guess again? (Oh, the other 2 parts of the Trinity are also incorrect answers...you ain't them either):D

Of course I can help with this since it happened to me and you, apparently, know about it.

Four things happened as a result that didn't happen in the video:

(1) - (3) I ejected the catcher, pitcher, and manager, and
(4) I forfeited the game when the manager wouldn't leave.

People that would intentionally throw at an umpire -- calling them rats would be an insult to rats.

This happened 3 years ago. I've moved on. So has the sorry excuse of a league.

A resurrected toll of time gone by! Either that or you are a total jack a$$ for posing that incident to Rich!

My money is on both!

Depends on the quality of the bread and butter.;)

Gentlemen...Don't forget the ignore feature.

I haven't had to use the ignore feature in a long, long time. So I found it funny when I went to add STB to the ignore list, I found Fitump56 was already there. I also had Poosey and Canadianump 6 on the ignore list.

From this description, I'd take the coach at his word that he was frustrated and barking at his catcher, not you.

In this case, I say nothing or wait until the inning is over.

Thanks Former Ump, I wasn't aware. It will make this place so much more enjoyable. :)

Know specifically, no, it isn't like it isn't hinted at in several other forums. So what's your take on this PU being thumped? Accidental or purposeful?

I've never been the victim of an intentional thumping.

Originally Posted by Simply The Best http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
Jesus Christ. :D:D
No argument here.Not really. Just playing with Old Rich...even though he wasn't playing with me.:(

Says the BS master.

Regards to Deej.

What's wrong with the video? I have used it a few times in my clinics. I have seen the longer version - an inning prior and after. It's good stuff for training umpires how to respond to situations.

The poster that put it up is a well known troll around these parts and posted it in an attempt to take a cheap shot at Rich.

My apologies but how is it a cheap shot at Rich?

For what it's worth, I love the quote in your signature. Though I'm a Cubs fan, Veeck was a genius.

The outcome is fine but the approach is completely bassakward. Start the game with respect for the coach not "he gets what he returns" which is either a neutral position, or imo considering your posts past" begins in a negative, combative posture.

Coaches, who btw are people, read your body language, your tone of voice, the lokk you do or don't give them at the home plate meeting, from third base, the dugout...they read and they judge how they are being perceived.

So it is mightily important to start the game with respect for people (coaches in this context) or you are doing nothing more than predetermining the outcome of the coach-official relationship.

I would strongly disagree. For instance, the use of :D and :mad: and :pdelivers a message as does bolding (my bet is you quite well understand how much I strongly disagree with you ;)), italicizing and several other non dimensional features.

Over time, the attitude of the poster, the point of his posts, the clarity in which he writes, his use of language, proper punctuation and a flurry of other factors highlight who he is, what he stands for, where his points of interest are...well, you get the idea...dimensionally. :D:D

Unless you posted this incident incorrectly, he didn't call you a name, he commented on the absurdity of the call, very different situation. Nothing personal there, dude, lighten up, again, this goes back to my first paragraph above. How you approach the game and the people. I would have gotten a good laugh out of that. Only a dunce for a coach believes he is going to gain anything positive by using such a redikalous term as "ridiculous". Think of it this way.

Stupidity is God's gift called light humour.;)

Here we go again. I strongly disagree. I know very good, even excellent officials who are quiet, to the point, rarely verbal or verbose and hear hardly anthing from fans, coaches or players.

I would not be in that group but I also would not paint them with that wide brush (remember the wide brush we discussed earlier in this thread...here it is again...:p) of not having survivability.

Fact is, they can be alive and well and amongst us at this very moment.

FYI, note how I spelled "humour", I did that to fool you into thinking I am a Brit. Funny how dimensionality can work with Internet posting. :eek:

Originally Posted by Simply The Best http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
Mr. Umpire and Welp, don't you think your conversation would be best as PMs instead of cluttering up the officiating discussions with off topic ramblings, accusations and general BS? :confused:
So much for on topic posts and my PM suggestion. :(

"You guys are ridiculous."

I quoted nothing in the original post. I know the difference between a reference to my decision and a namecaller. Does such a thing have to be spelled out in every post?

Keep playing Internet psychologist, troll. I have a basketball game to work.

Mike, check your PM, please.

Originally Posted by Simply The Best http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif

Unless you posted this incident incorrectly, he didn't call you a name, he commented on the absurdity of the call, very different situation. Nothing personal there, dude, lighten up, again, this goes back to my first paragraph above. How you approach the game and the people. I would have gotten a good laugh out of that. Only a dunce for a coach believes he is going to gain anything positive by using such a redikalous term as "ridiculous".

Memory returned I see. Not at all what you posted. ;)

Were you, btw?

I thnk this thread has sufficiently strayed from the original.