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YouTube - Catcher Vs. Catcher - Collision at the Plate

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HTBT, but I'd say it was likely MC (lowering and leading with the shoulder).

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I agree. Definitely violates the NCAA collision rule, HTBT for the MC.

Excellent example of contact above the waist with the intent to dislodge the baseball.

Time, Out, Ejected.

No brainer.

Thanks for the clip...I'm looking for examples of these for our assn' meeting.

What type game?

Your conclusion does not logically (accordign to the rules) follow the description of the play. The penalty for contact above the waist with the intent to dislodge the baseball is an out, not an ejection.

Bob, I truly hate this rule. In the video, the plate umpire waits for the runner to touch the plate and then points to it. Most of us would agree that he is indicating that the score counts, right? (I preach this mechanic at my clinics - don't point for a touch, an observent coach will notice when you don't and tell his players to complete a tag.)

I can see this ruling being changed again next year. If a guy lowers his shoulder, as this runner did, he is attempting to dislodge the ball not protect himself or reach the base. That qualifies as malicious intent in my books. MC can occur below the waist too though usually on a kick type slide or a punch.

Your note is dead on as far as current NCAA mechanics and I await Tom's videos for our bulletins. They usually make enough of us talk so that we can fine tune the things that make our job easier. I see them amending this next year.

Malicious contact is "intent to injure." That's a standard above (or "more egregious") than just "attempt to dislodge the ball."

Thanks Bob. I understand the dictionary definition but the application of the rule is far more difficult. If a runner forcibly dislodges the ball it is difficult to believe that he simply wanted to induce a muscular relaxation response from the guy trying to tag him out. Lowering a shoulder in a posture to attack is malicious in my book. I'm not terribly concerned with keeping someone like that in the game. Retaliation often follows and that is a bigger mess to clean up. I have never had a coach complain that I ejected his player for lowering a shoulder when going into a fielder with the ball. Often, they apologize or simply shake their head in disbelief at their player.

I still find it funny that in a world where we define what kind of product can be used to mark the field, we don't have an NFHS or NCAA definition for malicious contact. Thanks again for helping to clarify the play.

Most of us? Dunno? Me? Dunno since I see PUs point to show touch, to show safe, to show both.I teach no pointing.

I asked a very specific question that didn't involve what you see away from the video. But I hope you correct partners who point to indicate legally obtained bases. It will prevent more trouble for them in the future.

The runner in this video play is a catcher named Mitch Canham. He knew what he was doing when he lowered his shoulder and aimed for the other catcher's head. You can see how the umpire pointed the touch as a score. He points as soon as Canham touches the plate after the collision and run by. This is Minor League baseball so the contact is not illegal. Had this happened the year before when he was at Oregon State he would have likely been dumped.

Have a good season.

Don't correct them, I dump them. It's not allowed.

Mike....Rule 1. Don't feed the trolls.

I wasn't aware that you are the King of The Forum, announcing who is evil and who is not. Very Christlike.

Grow up. It's an officiating forum, got something to post outside of your pants problem, post it. Otherwise keep your opinions to your self-ordained wonderfulness. :mad:

MiBL

I don't think so, from what I saw.

DG,
I may be wrong, if so my apologies, but didn't the NCAA change the contact rule this year? The one prior resulted in so many ejections that the NCAA made a point of emphasis that we need to scrutinize contact above the waist more carefully. A couple years ago, when Canham would have been at OSU, this type of collision would have resulted in him being ejected, right? In NCAA ball malicious contact is stressed. Lowering your shoulder into another catcher's head and extending your arm in that effort is a decent attempt to injure. It was hardnosed, but the gloves come off in pro ball. Pete Rose would have loved this play.

This year, the NCAA clarified its collision rule but not with respect to MC. It defined an unavoidable (i.e., legal) collision as one which occurred when the runner: a) was making legitimate effort to reach the plate, b) was not attempting to dislodge the ball, and c) attempted to avoid the collision if he could reach the base without colliding. Contact above the waist initiated by the runner was deemed to be an attempt to dislodge the ball (but not necessarily MC). MC is left up to the umpire to determine.