What was he thinking?
 

Had a close play and questionable call/ruling end a game this weekend. The play is irrelevant but what the umpire did after was inappropriate.

Coach and BU obviously jawed a little with both interjecting "no, you don't know the rule" etc. Coach headed to the dugout and BU umpire left the field via the gate in front of the parents who were yelling over the call. Then BU stopped to explain why our coach didn't know what he was talking about and BU tried to explain the rule to the parents. This only escalated the problem.

I hope his partner who left via the gate on the other side of the field gave him some advice between games.

1) Don't leave field via the losing team side
2) If you field the need to explain yourself to anyone other than the coach...don't.

Why would either umpire exit from different gates? Walk out the same way you came in. Together, as a team. Sounds as if the BU's partner could use some advice as well.

The call could be relevant in this case. I'm sure others would like to know what actually happened.

If the coach thinks I missed a call, that's one thing, but if the coach thinks I blew a rule call, I would keep on walking and not say a word.

Here is the play: Runner on first with one out. Ground ball to SS who flips to 2nd covering bag. Runner slides late but slides none the less. 2B is standing on the bag and doesn't drag or move so runner cuts him down. BU gives the out sign and turns to watch first base. Close play at first could go either way. BU umpire indicates closed fist out. First base coach starts to argue and BU is arguing he was out and it wasn't close. After a little back and forth BU says it doesn't matter anyway because runner didn't slide at second. Then the discussion turned to whether he slid or not. As I said both plays were close and neither was a bad call in my opinion and the BU and Coach exchange was very short. I was just making the observation that he shouldn't have left the field via our side and he wasn't going to win any arguments with the parents so don't bother.

Wait, you're not the coach, it sounds like you're a parent. Your argument, "If you field the need to explain yourself to anyone other than the coach...don't" will be the reason why I personally will choose not to comment on the points you made.

He deserved a chewing just for that.

Translation: I just realized I kicked the call at first, so I better make something up to cover my @ss. I remember doing something like this my sophomore year of umpiring.

All sure signs of an inexperienced umpire. First of all he tried to convince the coach that his unconfident call at first was covered by his missed call (?) at second.

Then to make matters worse he tried to convince others he was right by explaining the rules to them.

He will learn.

Sooo, what exactly is your problem with a fellow official?

What rules?

I can only guess, a mis-interp of FPSR... I wonder what rule he explained.

BU was trying to explain the force slide rule by saying he didn't slide but then changed it to he slid late then he slid with his hands up.
My observation is if he was enforcing the slide rule he should have called that at the time of the play at second. Instead after being challenged on the call at first he interjects the slide rule issue. As I said runner clearly out at second and close play at first. It was how he handled the aftermath that I was commenting on.

Not exactly sure what I need a refresher on unless the FPSR is in fact a delayed call. If that is the case then what should have been the mechanics for calling it?

BU can make the call if he sees it. PU can make the call if BU has turned toward first. Either should call it as soon as it happens, and not wait for the result of the play at first.

There is no such thing as a "force slide rule." This is what give some the opinon the a slide is required.

There is, however, a "force play slide rule."

No one is ever required "forced" to slide.

If you're implying that NOT means NEVER, well, that's just wrong. A refresher might just be up your alley, also.

The BU can make the call if the pivot man doesn't make a throw - since the BU's eyes follow the ball, if the ball is never thrown to first base he'll still be watching the play at second, and should have a better look at the slide than the PU.
Never say never...:rolleyes:

JJ

Either ump can call it, although if I'm PU, and my partner is looking right at it and doesn't call it, I'll most likely pass on it as well.

Not necessarily.

BU should not move his focus of the play at 2B until the ball is being released by the fielder to 1B. If the ball is never released, BU has the chance to see any INT at 2B; if the ball is thrown, the call can only be PU's.

If you're turning your focus away from 2B before the ball is released, you're going to miss something eventually.

OK. You're the boss. As for me, I'll continue to be a fine, feathered idiot. And right.
JJ

Did some loon steal Ozzy's login and password?

:)

jj

I've returned....The REAL me.

Moderator, please lock this thread.

Not very likely at all....:rolleyes:

If some loon did do as you suggest, then the loon whose login and password were stolen could have gone in and deleted any and all posts that are attributed to said loon. Then the simple thing to do after that is to change one's password.

The title of this thread, "What Was He Thinking?", is appropriate to say the very least. It should be changed to, "What the Funk Was He Saying?"

It looks like someone is having crow for Thanksgiving. A little gravy will help wash down the wild taste....

People, under the direction of the moderators, I have deleted the offensive posts. I apologize for not securing my information properly which allowed an undesirable to pose as me. The good thing is that this undesirable did not get into anything of value, just a couple of forums and an old file locker that I haven't used in years.

The game is OVER. You do not EXPLAIN yourself to ANYONE at this point and that INCLUDES the coach. Other then a protest (and if that's the case the coach better do it in a hurry) NO explanations.

It's one thing if a coach wants an explanation DURING the game quite another when the game is OVER. When it's OVER leave together and do not talk to ANYONE.

Pete Booth

if IN FACT R1 violated the FPSR then the call is made IMMEDIATELY not retroactively.

The BU or PU would say

1. TIME
2. That's Interference
3. R1 and the BR are out
4. Other runners return to TOP bases which in this case is moot because it was a game ender.

As another poster eluded to "on the surface" it sounds as if the BU was trying to cover his a** when the coach questioned him.

Pete Booth