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Wed Oct 13, 2010 06:09am |
"...Cookie is still not an umpire, most likely a troll..."
Sheese! Another one!
Rather than get caught up in a name-calling contest, I'd like to go back to square one to see how we got here..
This past weekend I umpired several games (Fed rules) at a memorial tournament in my home town. My partner and I would occasionally gather on the first base line between innings and have a quick discussion about some baseball rule. One occurred when the 3rd base coach (whose team had just ended their at-bats and was on its way onto the field) went directly to the mound as his F1 came out to warm up. I mentioned to my partner whether we should charge him a visit because he stopped there to talk with his F1. We both understood that as long as he didn't delay the warm-ups, it's not a big deal; let it go.
Well, on another occasion during the games I asked my partner about the delay that occurred in a previous inning when in the middle of an inning, the DC requested time from the dugout and sent out a replacement for his left-fielder, ostensibly for defensive reasons (stronger throwing arm?). I asked my partner if that was technically a "visit." We both left it as being "nothing"; play on. Later that evening, out of curiousity, I tried to see if the Fed Case book had something to say about it. I found nothing. So my Original Post here...
Tim's response was about F1; that was not my question (I already knew that). He also added the part about a defensive player going out to talk to F1 at the express instructions from the coach; that was not my question (and I already knew that, too).
However, Tim did get me thinking (even self-doubting a little) when he mentioned, "Charged visits are based on F1 and occur on the mouond." So I checked the Fed Rule book thinking that I must have missed something in my understanding of it, AND I also posted my response to what-appeared-to-me his error-filled post. Thus, here I am, vis-a-vis with Tim C. et al...
On the other hand, Bob responded directly to my question, pretty much confirming what my partner and I had concluded during the half inning that it was nothing - "A change of players is not a charged visit." And Bob further led me to thinking/realizing that when you replace a player with another - that's a substitution - no charge there (just like replacing an F1, no charged visit there. Duh! Me!)
Thank you UmpTTS43 and BSUmp16 for clarifying the situation. Perhaps I was mixing the words "visit", "conference", "meeting" interchangeaby. I'll be a little more careful with my choice of words...
Furthermore, I still have a whole lot of other baseball "situations" swirling about in my head without concrete answers, and I still want to present them to the boards (AND not to upstage anyone, to pretend to be a know-it-all, etc. etc.), but rather to get a resolution to them in my own head. If some of you choose to ignore them, then that's your right - it's a free country. Others, I welcome your posts...
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