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Rich Fri Sep 17, 2010 07:36am
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Originally Posted by txump81 (Post 692763)
Didn't have a chance to read this whole discussion, but here is my .02.

Good sell by Jeter. As an umpire, you should use more than your eyes to make calls. I heard the crack of ball meeting bat pretty clear on the video. So no HBP. When Jeter starts hopping around, I would probably give him a HBP, but the ball hit the bat first, so "Strike". It's all part of the game.

I would have liked to hear the conversation between Jeter and the trainer.

"Where'd it get you?"
"Right here on the hand"
"I don't see any bruising or feel any fractured bones."
"Well that @#$%^&* hurt."
"I'll be OK"

Maybe it was premeditated and the trainer was in on it?!? What's the difference in this and a fielder making a "tag" but missing the runner and then throwing to the next base for a double play. A good fielder will sell the tag.
Except that a ball hitting a hand sounds very much like a ball hitting a bat. No way the PU can use sound to rule out it hitting Jeter's hand.

WilliamK Fri Sep 17, 2010 07:49am
Does anybody else find it funny that in both replays. The two different anouncers thought it hit him in normal speed! But after multiple slomo replays they become experts on the play. Not that we shoud give a rats what anouncers have to say. But the one guy says something like "that's big of you you miss the call and now Joe gets tossed" wasn't he the same guy who said Jeter just got nailed when it happened in normal speed, so in fact his call would have been the same as the PU!

Jurassic Referee Fri Sep 17, 2010 07:59am
Interesting article....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Some good points, I thought. Is there gonna be a 4-page thread here everytime an MLB outfielder tries to sell a trapped ball as a catch? A catcher pulls a pitch? Someone tries to sell a phantom tag?

Or is it only Jeter? :)

jimpiano Fri Sep 17, 2010 08:23am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 692765)
There's no good answer as to what would be done if this play was reversible -- award bases? Do what you "think" would have happened?

If a play like this becomes subject to review, then you'll see umpires trained to leave the ball live in any questionable situation and use replay to reverse it. In fact, that's good training and good umpiring anyway.
I think you are right. But, at the same time, I doubt any umpire could have gotten that play "right" . And it is not a reason to establish replay, either. It is just the way it is. Some calls are impossible to get "right" in real time.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 17, 2010 08:50am
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Originally Posted by jimpiano (Post 692717)
What the umpire "saw" and what the cameras "saw"are not even close.
The ball never, ever, hit Jeter.
Uh ... yeah it did - what replay are you watching?
Quote:
It is to ask what would umpires do with the play after watching the replay?
If instant replay was used and the play was, somehow, under review.
Um ... foul ball, get back in the box. Done. Easy. What's the problem?

MrUmpire Fri Sep 17, 2010 08:55am
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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 692747)
His answer was..."the umpire told me to go to first, I wasn't going to argue."
Now play that audio while watching the video of him holding his arm, grimacing in "pain" and having a trainer check him out for a hit to the wrist that didn't happen. Yep, a real class act.

yawetag Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:25am
Watching the replay (link on the OP), it appears the ball MIGHT have hit Jeter's elbow before hitting the bat, then it hits his hip.

I have no problem with Jeter's antics. He's doing what all ball players do in that situation.

David B Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:05am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 692767)
Except that a ball hitting a hand sounds very much like a ball hitting a bat. No way the PU can use sound to rule out it hitting Jeter's hand.
Absolutely hilarious to read on ESPN what guys have said, and then this morning on Sportscenter having a whole segment on this play.

This happens everyday in MLB. These guys must have never played ball or something.

What's next, every flop in basketball gonna be replayed, and in football every time the DL fakes that he's being held ... love the guy didn't catch his name who tells of how he pushed the referee into the hole to plug the hole in football ...

Thanks
David

JRutledge Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:43am
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Originally Posted by WilliamK (Post 692768)
Does anybody else find it funny that in both replays. The two different anouncers thought it hit him in normal speed! But after multiple slomo replays they become experts on the play. Not that we shoud give a rats what anouncers have to say. But the one guy says something like "that's big of you you miss the call and now Joe gets tossed" wasn't he the same guy who said Jeter just got nailed when it happened in normal speed, so in fact his call would have been the same as the PU!
I always find it funny when commentators want to tell umpires when and when they should not toss people. As if the only reason they are tossing them is because of a missed call. Not that the manager or player is in their face or anything and will not let the silly issue go.

Peace

Umpmazza Fri Sep 17, 2010 03:17pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 692775)
Uh ... yeah it did - what replay are you watching?Um ... foul ball, get back in the box. Done. Easy. What's the problem?
problem #1.. it was a fair ball.

Rich Ives Fri Sep 17, 2010 04:24pm
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Originally Posted by Umpmazza (Post 692869)
problem #1.. it was a fair ball.
Nope - it went off the bat handle and hit Jeter's hip - in the box - foul ball.

JaxRolo Fri Sep 17, 2010 07:23pm
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Originally Posted by Umpmazza (Post 692869)
problem #1.. it was a fair ball.
I agree with Rich it hit the hip. The dumb announcers were calling it a fair ball.

Umpmazza Fri Sep 17, 2010 09:16pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 692870)
Nope - it went off the bat handle and hit Jeter's hip - in the box - foul ball.
your right Rich, I looked at the replay, it did hit him.. my fault.

johnnyg08 Sat Sep 18, 2010 09:47am
Try and get this right working one man where we do nearly 60% of our summer ball.

Nearly every time, I'm awarding the batter 1B...frankly, I'm not that good to tell the difference between determining what hit what first or not.

rbmartin Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:55am
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frankly, I'm not that good to tell the difference between determining what hit what first...
Why would your first instinct be to award the guy first "nearly every time"?


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