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johnnyg08 Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 686493)
Yes. The ball is dead, the batter is out and runners return.
The ball must fall untouched.

yawetag Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:19am
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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 686498)
The ball must fall untouched.
Am I reading the APPROVED RULING incorrectly, or are you?

kylejt Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:22am
I thought it was a line drive, not a fly ball. A fly ball is one that's hit high in the air.

Either way, the BU can use his judgment on that one all day long.

bob jenkins Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:22am
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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 686498)
The ball must fall untouched.
Not true. If it falls untoouched, then it's live and play-on. If it's touched, then the ruling applies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxRolo
Pardon my ignorance but a line drive is not an IFF so is there something wrong in dropping it intentionally?
Pardon my asking, but how long have you been umpiring?

UmpJM Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:37am
Bob,

From a recent post of his on another thread:

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... I have been doing this less than a year. ...
JM

johnnyg08 Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:40am
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 686500)
Am I reading the APPROVED RULING incorrectly, or are you?
I don't know....what I read. All I know is that you should probably call intentional drop unless the ball falls untouched and we don't have IFF...in the case of a line drive...it would be tough to turn a cheap double play w/o intentional drop.

JaxRolo Sat Jul 24, 2010 03:21pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 686521)

Pardon my asking, but how long have you been umpiring?
I'm only asking so that I know what to do when it happens to me. Its a thing called "learning"

bob jenkins Sat Jul 24, 2010 03:35pm
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Originally Posted by JaxRolo (Post 686547)
I'm only asking so that I know what to do when it happens to me. Its a thing called "learning"
I understand. That's why I asked a serious question. JM gave me the answer (that I assume is correct).

mbyron Sat Jul 24, 2010 05:24pm
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Originally Posted by JaxRolo (Post 686488)
Pardon my ignorance but a line drive is not an IFF so is there something wrong in dropping it intentionally?
As you will have noticed, the intentional drop rule is not restricted to fly balls.

MD Longhorn Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:01am
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 686483)
F6 gloves it running toward 2B, opens his glove, plays the bounce, then tags the runner then the base.
Um - even as YOU describe this, it is not an intentional drop. LETTING it bounce is not an intentional drop. Letting it hit your glove and failing to catch it -- THAT is an intentional drop.

MD Longhorn Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:07am
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Originally Posted by JaxRolo (Post 686547)
I'm only asking so that I know what to do when it happens to me. Its a thing called "learning"
No need to be a smart@$$ - he said, "Pardon my asking" --- how much nicer a way did you want him to ask that? Sheesh.

bob jenkins Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:45am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 686623)
Um - even as YOU describe this, it is not an intentional drop. LETTING it bounce is not an intentional drop. Letting it hit your glove and failing to catch it -- THAT is an intentional drop.
I think you're mis-reading it. He said that F6 "gloves it" then "opens the glove and plays the bounce"

jicecone Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:11am
Depending upon what really happened and who is my partner, 99.9% of the time I would handle this after the game.

**I leave that .1% to a Baseball official I knew that felt as though he had to step on everyone's call just about all the time. I just verbally blasted him in front of both teams one time, and it never happened again in our games. Sometimes you just have to do, what you have to do, to get the point across.

**(Not the recommended solution)

johnnyg08 Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 686521)
Not true. If it falls untoouched, then it's live and play-on. If it's touched, then the ruling applies.
I was speaking to how it would NOT be an intentional drop...and "live ball, play on" type of scenario.

MD Longhorn Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 686632)
I think you're mis-reading it. He said that F6 "gloves it" then "opens the glove and plays the bounce"
I can see reading it that way. It was the "plays the bounce" part. Guess we need clarification.


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