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RogersUmp Thu Jul 22, 2010 08:01pm

Tossin' 'em at Camden!
 
Did you see Wiggington get wigged out? Darling and Hohn are bagging and taggin'!!!

johnnyg08 Thu Jul 22, 2010 08:08pm

Yep...Darling missed the call, but man did he blow a gasket on Darling.

Then they must have gone back to the clubhouse to watch the replay leading to the other EJ's.

Good times!

jwwashburn Fri Jul 23, 2010 01:18am

Wiggington is 100% wrong to bump the umpire and obviously will/should get fined. In addition to that, something has to be done about these crap calls on obvious calls.

Is it just me or are they missing an amazing number of EASY calls? How does he miss this call? The tag was on the hand closest to Darling (left hand) and he got him by a lot.

To name a few other horrific ones in recent days

This one was almost as bad as the one from a couple of weeks ago where the Giants 3B taqgged a guy out from the Mariners that had given up and stopped running(the seeds sticking out of the pocket incident)

The Tigers had Josh Hamilton out diving into first-his hand slid right into the first baseman's shoe a few days ago.

A couple of nights ago, the crew in the Dodgers game did not know the rule about two visits in an inning. I knew the rule watching that game live and, oh by the way...I am not a professional umpire. MLB umpires should literally have the book memorized.

yawetag Fri Jul 23, 2010 06:19am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 686375)
The Tigers had Josh Hamilton out diving into first-his hand slid right into the first baseman's shoe a few days ago.

So his hand was on F3's shoe (and not the base) when he was tagged? If I mis-read your post, I apologize -- I don't know of this situation.

johnnyg08 Fri Jul 23, 2010 06:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 686375)
This one was almost as bad as the one from a couple of weeks ago where the Giants 3B taqgged a guy out from the Mariners that had given up and stopped running(the seeds sticking out of the pocket incident)

I know you're arguing principle, so I hesitated writing anything...but I think that call went against the Twins not the Giants...but there may have been another play you're referring to.

I think the "all of the missed calls" is a myth. The camera coverage and the media coverage is better so it seems like there are more misses. There have always been missed calls

That's what makes MLB umpiring so difficult. Every single call you make gets replayed over and over again in super slow motion and the regular fan who's never umpired thinks you're terrible because they "saw on replay that he was clearly safe"

Stupid.

Rich Fri Jul 23, 2010 07:14am

Back in the old days, before every play had 20 replays and angles, Darling would've just called the runner out regardless of whether there was a tag and life would've gone on. Like many of us do in our games now.

Sure, he missed it. But the only reason they have to see whether a glove gets a finger is because they get flambeed every time they make what used to be an expected call if that call isn't "right."

grunewar Fri Jul 23, 2010 07:57am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 686389)
Back in the old days, before every play had 20 replays and angles, Darling would've just called the runner out regardless of whether there was a tag and life would've gone on. Like many of us do in our games now."

Kevin Blackistone said it well (below).......

mbyron Fri Jul 23, 2010 08:05am

Three Orioles ejected in wild seventh inning | orioles.com: News

grunewar Fri Jul 23, 2010 08:33am

"The crowd of 20,108 issued a loud chorus of boos for several moments following the play and the tension continued to build at Camden Yards."

Actually, a pretty nice sized crowd for Camden Yards.......and usually not that much excitiment or anything to cheer/boo about.

yawetag Fri Jul 23, 2010 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 686385)
That's what makes MLB umpiring so difficult. Every single call you make gets replayed over and over again in super slow motion and the regular fan who's never umpired thinks you're terrible because they "saw on replay that he was clearly safe"

Not to mention that only the bad calls are shown over and over.

jwwashburn Fri Jul 23, 2010 09:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 686381)
So his hand was on F3's shoe (and not the base) when he was tagged? If I mis-read your post, I apologize -- I don't know of this situation.

I did not explain it all that well.


It was a line drive to ss and t they had him doubled off. He dove back and the replay f(even at full speed) showed Hamilton being tagged because his hand was on the 1B 's foot.

yawetag Fri Jul 23, 2010 09:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 686405)
I did not explain it all that well.


It was a line drive to ss and t they had him doubled off. He dove back and the replay f(even at full speed) showed Hamilton being tagged because his hand was on the 1B 's foot.

And he was called safe, I presume? Now that re-read your initial post on it, it makes sense. I originally thought you said "He was called out, but his hand was on the foot."

tiger49 Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 686375)
A couple of nights ago, the crew in the Dodgers game did not know the rule about two visits in an inning. I knew the rule watching that game live and, oh by the way...I am not a professional umpire. MLB umpires should literally have the book memorized.

”No, no, no!” Mattingly heard plate umpire Adrian Johnson shout. ”You can’t go back.”

By then, however, Mattingly had covered the two steps back onto the mound.


Sounds like they were on it to me. Alot of the confusion was over if it was an emergency as defined in the rulebook to allow for as many warmup pitches as deemed necessary.

mbyron Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:11am

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Originally Posted by tiger49 (Post 686407)
[I]”No, no, no!” Mattingly heard plate umpire Adrian Johnson shout. ”You can’t go back.”

Johnson nailed that. Mattingly heard him, but probably didn't have time to process it in the 2 steps it took him to get back to the dirt. Or he just ignored it.

IMO, that's not bad at all for a fill-in who had already had an extremely rough night (pitchers hitting batters, warning dugouts, tossing Joe Torre, etc.).

REFANDUMP Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:51am

I'm a Twins fan, but that's a horrible call. I can't believe MLB stands behind these guys when they miss calls like that !!!


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