Ozzie's at it again.....

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Welpe

He was telling Ozzie not to come out to argue the balk. That is pretty common in the bigs.

So he had to do it that demonstratively? Can't he just wait for Ozzie to get out there and say "Hey Ozzie, it's not worth arguing, go back and sit down"?

Apparently not, and I think that was part of the reason he got fined.

[UMP25]

I'm no fan at all of Ozzie, but telling him to "get the f--k off the field" isn't exactly very professional.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by UMP25

I'm no fan at all of Ozzie, but telling him to "get the f--k off the field" isn't exactly very professional.

I wouldn't believe Ozzie if he said the sky was blue.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Apparently not, and I think that was part of the reason he got fined.

That is a big assumption, especially when you see numerous MLB umpires doing it. It is accepted at that level.

I think he got fined for making comments to the media.

UMP25, West said he didn't tell Ozzie that so somebody is lying.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That is a big assumption, especially when you see numerous MLB umpires doing it. It is accepted at that level.

I think he got fined for making comments to the media.

UMP25, West said he didn't tell Ozzie that so somebody is lying.

Regardless of how many umpires do it, it still looks really unprofessional and immature. I know managers aren't allowed to argue judgement calls, but the way West did it was wrong, IMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Regardless of how many umpires do it, it still looks really unprofessional and immature. I know managers aren't allowed to argue judgement calls, but the way West did it was wrong, IMO

Are you talking about the stop sign West gave him? Because that action is pretty much accepted in many circles of baseball. And it is really acceptable in basketball which you officiate. Not saying it works, but it is advocated a lot. I just came back from basketball camp and this was talked about all the time. I think you would be in the minority if you consider this unprofessional.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you talking about the stop sign West gave him? Because that action is pretty much accepted in many circles of baseball. And it is really acceptable in basketball which you officiate. Not saying it works, but it is advocated a lot. I just came back from basketball camp and this was talked about all the time. I think you would be in the minority if you consider this unprofessional.

Peace

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | CWS@CLE: Ozzie is ejected for arguing a balk call - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

There's a stop sign at about :47 seconds, and then there's not one, but two "shoo-aways" at about the 1:00 mark.

Two very different things, IMO.

[JRutledge]

I do not completely disagree with you. But this is the pros. These individuals know and work together for years. I am sure Joe West did Ozzie's games most of his career. These guys have a different set of standards. And we also do not know the interaction. Keep in mind there are probably a few f-bombs being thrown at each other too.

Peace

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not completely disagree with you. But this is the pros. These individuals know and work together for years. I am sure Joe West did Ozzie's games most of his career. These guys have a different set of standards. And we also do not know the interaction. Keep in mind there are probably a few f-bombs being thrown at each other too.

Peace

If you want to see F-Bombs flying, check out the video of Tim Tschida ejecting Joe Maddon. There looked to plenty of them.

[grunewar]

The video and description seem to follow what West said in the below interview:

Originally Posted by bas2456

There's a stop sign at about :47 seconds, and then there's not one, but two "shoo-aways" at about the 1:00 mark.

West, On ejecting Ozzie Guillen:

“Ozzie came out to protect his pitcher, which was probably a good idea at the time because Buehrle was drawing lines in the dirt on the mound and he was about to get ejected then. He even said that he was out there not to argue the balk, but to protect his pitcher. He should come out in that situation. I told him, ‘Everything is OK now Ozzie, you can go back to the dugout.’ He got mad because I told him to go back. And he used a couple profanity laced lines. And that got him ejected. But it was actually not as blown up as it looks like on television. It was kind of funny that he had a tirade at the end of the game because he didn’t actually didn’t say exactly what happened out there.“