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kheisner Fri May 07, 2010 06:57pm

Wilson Hard Shell Base Ump Cap (#A3121)‏
 
In a recent Referee magazine I read about the hard shell base cap for umpires now being offered by Ump-Attire. They claim it keeps your head cooler in the summer and I am very safety minded so I ordered one through Ump-Attire, the only store mentioned in the Referee article that offered it. $32.99 + S&H

NOW I have found this exact same helmet (Wilson WTA3121 ) listed as a "catchers" skull cap or base-coaches hat selling for $19.99 - $24.99 on the internet @ numerous sites. None of them over $24.99.
Wilson WTA3121 Sleek Pro Skull Cap With Bill

I emailed Ump-Attire with this information this morning. No response.

cbfoulds Fri May 07, 2010 07:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676048)
In a recent Referee magazine I read about the hard shell base cap for umpires now being offered by Ump-Attire. They claim it keeps your head cooler in the summer and I am very safety minded so I ordered one through Ump-Attire, the only store mentioned in the Referee article that offered it. $32.99 + S&H

NOW I have found this exact same helmet (Wilson WTA3121 ) listed as a "catchers" skull cap or base-coaches hat selling for $19.99 - $24.99 on the internet @ numerous sites. None of them over $24.99.
Wilson WTA3121 Sleek Pro Skull Cap With Bill

I emailed Ump-Attire with this information this morning. No response.

You were expecting ... what?

The site says, right in the description of the item, that it is a "coach's helmet".

You were the one silly enough to buy this hideous piece of junk.

You are offended that someone sells it cheaper & you expect the vendor who promoted this flim-flam to price match?

Pullezee!

johnnyg08 Fri May 07, 2010 07:42pm

Wait for a reply from their customer service. You might be surprised...but maybe not. I've had nothing but great experiences from ump-attire.

kheisner Fri May 07, 2010 08:28pm

Didn't say I was offended; just trying to inform my fellow umps
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cbfoulds (Post 676051)
You were expecting ... what?

The site says, right in the description of the item, that it is a "coach's helmet".

You were the one silly enough to buy this hideous piece of junk.

You are offended that someone sells it cheaper & you expect the vendor who promoted this flim-flam to price match?

Pullezee!

Dude.....whatever:rolleyes:

I doubt I am the only one to buy this "hideous piece of junk". I guess in my days on the diamond I've seen too many ambulances and emergency room visits for my liking. I guess that is why professional base coaches are now required to wear them. You know somebody could get killed, oops, that is right, somebody did lose their life!:(

I've had several partners express interest, especially if they are cooler during the summer. I just wanted to share the information of the cheaper price for anybody who is interested. I hope for you in the future, you never wished you were wearing it.

Tim C Fri May 07, 2010 08:40pm

Ump Attire prays on Little League styled umpires.

Don't be surprised when you get screwed.

T

johnnyg08 Fri May 07, 2010 08:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 676055)
Ump Attire prays on Little League styled umpires.


T

Not everybody sir...but maybe that is their target market...their customer service is superb

UmpJM Fri May 07, 2010 08:59pm

Tim,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 676055)
Ump Attire prays on Little League styled umpires.

Don't be surprised when you get screwed.

T

"preys" :rolleyes:

JM

Welpe Fri May 07, 2010 09:06pm

Give them a call. I've had nothing but a positive experience when buying from them.

DG Fri May 07, 2010 09:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676048)
In a recent Referee magazine I read about the hard shell base cap for umpires now being offered by Ump-Attire. They claim it keeps your head cooler in the summer and I am very safety minded so I ordered one through Ump-Attire, the only store mentioned in the Referee article that offered it. $32.99 + S&H

You should get a couple phiten necklaces to help your performance while umpiring. :rolleyes:

ozzy6900 Fri May 07, 2010 09:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676054)
Dude.....whatever:rolleyes:

I doubt I am the only one to buy this "hideous piece of junk". I guess in my days on the diamond I've seen too many ambulances and emergency room visits for my liking. I guess that is why professional base coaches are now required to wear them. You know somebody could get killed, oops, that is right, somebody did lose their life!:(

I've had several partners express interest, especially if they are cooler during the summer. I just wanted to share the information of the cheaper price for anybody who is interested. I hope for you in the future, you never wished you were wearing it.

Puuuuuuleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! i've been umpiring for almost 30 years and I can count the ambulance calls on one hand (that includes the one for my on field heart attack). You are just a gear jockey, aren't you? I'll bet you have every piece of crap that is out there. If my partner ever put one of these "toys" on, I would send him packing!

zm1283 Fri May 07, 2010 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 676055)
Ump Attire prays on Little League styled umpires.

Don't be surprised when you get screwed.

T

How is this so? What specifically have they done?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 676069)
Puuuuuuleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! i've been umpiring for almost 30 years and I can count the ambulance calls on one hand (that includes the one for my on field heart attack). You are just a gear jockey, aren't you? I'll bet you have every piece of crap that is out there. If my partner ever put one of these "toys" on, I would send him packing!

Not to mention the guy who was killed in the Texas League was hit in the neck, not the head, so the helmet wouldn't have done him any good.

kylejt Fri May 07, 2010 10:42pm

All Star makes one to use with your mask.

http://www.all-starsports.com/images/products/uc800.jpg

http://www.all-starsports.com/products.php?prod=655

kheisner Fri May 07, 2010 11:06pm

Hey tough guy.......I'll give you more to laugh at
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 676069)
Puuuuuuleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! i've been umpiring for almost 30 years and I can count the ambulance calls on one hand (that includes the one for my on field heart attack). You are just a gear jockey, aren't you? I'll bet you have every piece of crap that is out there. If my partner ever put one of these "toys" on, I would send him packing!


Hey buddy, here is some stuff that'll make ya' die laughing.....

I also advocate the safety base and outlaw steel spikes in high school games:p

I don't see the need for players to get hurt playing games when it can be prevented. Our adult softball leagues now use safety bases and made steel spikes illegal.......we do have to go to work Monday morning. Just my views.....I also wear my seat belt when I drive.:eek: Something only pussies did when I was a kid in the 60's.

Steel spikes?? Not needed. Blood on the diamond is not necessary when kids are playing the game. "Everybody raise their hands if they want to go to the emergency room to get stitches in the leg today!!":D Yes, It happens, but not when it could've been prevented.

If you have a real job and pay real medical bills, you know what I am talking about. Last year, getting spiked, cost players (parents) on my team (I also coach) over $1,000.......WTF, why must this be?

If my partner ever put one of these "toys" on, I would send him packing!
I recall hearing the same thoughts expressed when the "hockey" style mask was first being used.:cool:

Gear jockey??
I finally broke down and bought my first "West Vest". Enough of those bruises, I'm get less tough as I get older.

But honestly, I tend to overheat on summer days, if this helmet helps me stay cooler, BINGO, I'm a happy camper!:p

Lots of Laughs.....I should be a ****ing comic!!!!:D

SanDiegoSteve Fri May 07, 2010 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 676055)
Ump Attire prays on Little League styled umpires.

Don't be surprised when you get screwed.

T

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 676061)
Tim,



"preys" :rolleyes:

JM

You would think a confirmed agnostic would know the difference!;)

yawetag Fri May 07, 2010 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676076)
But honestly, I tend to overheat on summer days, if this helmet helps me stay cooler, BINGO, I'm a happy camper!:p

How does it keep you cooler? Does it allow more room for an ice bag?

waltjp Fri May 07, 2010 11:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676076)
Last year, getting spiked, cost players (parents) on my team (I also coach) over $1,000.......WTF, why must this be?

Maybe your players need to be better instructed on how to properly apply a tag without getting spiked. :rolleyes:

LakeErieUmp Sat May 08, 2010 08:13am

Steve -

Maybe it keeps you LOOKING cooler.

grunewar Sat May 08, 2010 10:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676076)
I'm get less tough as I get older.

AMEN!

And, I don't heal as quickly as I used to either. These last few yrs have been tough ones for me.

The mind is willing, but, the flesh is weak. (in my case anyhow) :(

kylejt Sat May 08, 2010 10:25am

Dark, wool hats are hot in the summer time. Why we're stuck with them is another story, but we are.

But if you think wearing a helmet is any cooler, fine. Just understand you'll look like a dork, and the rest of us will be laughing quietly to ourselves.

Kinda like whenever I see a PU with a hockey mask on.

cbfoulds Sat May 08, 2010 11:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676054)
Dude.....whatever:rolleyes:

I just wanted to share the information of the cheaper price for anybody who is interested.

Uh-huh. And that's why you
Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 670654)
..emailed Ump-Attire with this information this morning. No response.

Riiiight!

JRutledge Sat May 08, 2010 11:43am

I do not think there is a need to rag on the guy about this. The bottom line is the helmet looks silly. No where have I read this is an acceptable piece of equipment for umpires. For one there is no need for a base umpire to need one. Players do not wear helmets on the field, why should we? And getting hit with the ball let alone in the head is also very rare unless you are someone that has no athletic ability what so ever. Unless this becomes mandated, and I see no reason it would be, this is just a bad idea from the start.

Peace

kylejt Sat May 08, 2010 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 676109)
Players do not wear helmets on the field, why should we? And getting hit with the ball let alone in the head is also very rare unless you are someone that has no athletic ability what so ever.

Peace

So you're saying Joe West needs a helmet?

p.s. base runners wear helmets.

JRutledge Sat May 08, 2010 07:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 676124)
So you're saying Joe West needs a helmet?

p.s. base runners wear helmets.

Well the fact that Joe West is on the field is another issue all together.

Secondly, we are not base runners that are focusing running and not following the ball. Umpires follow the ball and you do not see the 8 players in the field wearing helmets do you? And we are behind the pitcher. ;)

Peace

ozzy6900 Sat May 08, 2010 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kheisner (Post 676076)
Hey buddy, here is some stuff that'll make ya' die laughing.....

I also advocate the safety base and outlaw steel spikes in high school games:p

I don't see the need for players to get hurt playing games when it can be prevented. Our adult softball leagues now use safety bases and made steel spikes illegal.......we do have to go to work Monday morning. Just my views.....I also wear my seat belt when I drive.:eek: Something only pussies did when I was a kid in the 60's.

Steel spikes?? Not needed. Blood on the diamond is not necessary when kids are playing the game. "Everybody raise their hands if they want to go to the emergency room to get stitches in the leg today!!":D Yes, It happens, but not when it could've been prevented.

If you have a real job and pay real medical bills, you know what I am talking about. Last year, getting spiked, cost players (parents) on my team (I also coach) over $1,000.......WTF, why must this be?

If my partner ever put one of these "toys" on, I would send him packing!
I recall hearing the same thoughts expressed when the "hockey" style mask was first being used.:cool:

Gear jockey??
I finally broke down and bought my first "West Vest". Enough of those bruises, I'm get less tough as I get older.

But honestly, I tend to overheat on summer days, if this helmet helps me stay cooler, BINGO, I'm a happy camper!:p

Lots of Laughs.....I should be a ****ing comic!!!!:D

Where the hell do you umpire - in Iraq?

What do you want to do, wrap everyone in cotton?

Please, take your whining somewhere else.

DG Sat May 08, 2010 09:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 676080)
Maybe your players need to be better instructed on how to properly apply a tag without getting spiked. :rolleyes:

That is just BS. You an apply a tag legally and still get spiked. Getting spiked is a job hazard for middle infielders, to be expected from time to time.

Matt Sat May 08, 2010 09:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 676138)
Where the hell do you umpire - in Iraq?

Funny you should say that...I have umpired there. VERY fast infields--the packed earth makes it almost like a pool table.

waltjp Sat May 08, 2010 09:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 676146)
That is just BS. You an apply a tag legally and still get spiked. Getting spiked is a job hazard for middle infielders, to be expected from time to time.

A hazard? Maybe. I don't remember ever seeing a player get spiked while making a tag, though I won't deny that it does happen.

I have seen many players hit by pitchers. Several of them had to leave the game - some with broken bones. It would seem that a pitched ball is a much greater hazard. Maybe we should suggest the use of Nerf balls.

DG Sat May 08, 2010 09:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 676151)
A hazard? Maybe. I don't remember ever seeing a player get spiked while making a tag, though I won't deny that it does happen.

Say what? It is a good thing you won't deny and obvious you have never played middle infield.

waltjp Sun May 09, 2010 07:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 676153)
Say what? It is a good thing you won't deny and obvious you have never played middle infield.

Whether I have or haven't played a middle infield position has no relevance in this discussion.

jkumpire Sun May 09, 2010 08:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 676077)
You would think a confirmed agnostic would know the difference!;)

Anyone can change! Even T!


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