You're Outa Here!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by MSPChris

haha i'm gonna bump this thread...

Here's my question for umpires that have been bumped -- where were the police? If I were ever bumped at a game (not accidentally touched, but bumped) I'd be on the phone instantly and I'd be pressing charges.

In many states bumping an official like what we're describing here is a felony.

Forget about what the league is going to do....

That's going to be a tall order in your neck of the woods.

[UMP25]

I agree. I also believe it is overreacting. I was bumped by a head coach 4 or 5 times in one game on April 2nd. I didn't get overly upset. I informed the coach it would cost him a suspension, wrote the requisite reports, submitted them to the proper people, and was done with it.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I got repeatedly bumped and beaked by a batter I called out on strikes in a MSBL game. He turned on me and went at it Billy Martin style. I didn't back up and I didn't swear of scream anything I regret. But when his saliva went into my mouth during one of his screams, I flung him away from me, and his late-arriving teammates collared him before he could charge back at me. I told the teammates that if they didn't carry him off the property in one minute, the game's over.

The catcher and pitcher and the player's manager all called the league president before I did. Their accounts matched mine. The president told me that as of this minute, the guy is thrown out of the league.

So it went the way it's supposed to go. If it didn't, I would have walked.

[MSPChris]

I will agree that calling the police might be an overreaction, but I gotta tell you there are plenty of cases where calling the cops is warranted.

Most of my games are for teenage kids. Some coach that decides he's going to put his hands on me during the course of a game (in anger) has no business dealing with kids, period.

Sometimes the league might do something sometimes they won't -- the truth is a lot of the time it depends on who the adult is and what the situation was. I've read plenty of threads where umpires get blackballed because the coach is a prick, but he's a well-placed prick.

The police don't care who the adult is, or what the situation is. What matters to the police is that Adult A assaulted Adult B.

It's too bad but sometimes calling the police is going to be the only way that you the umpire cna make sure the situation goes (as Kevin said) "the way it's supposed to go."

[Matt]

Originally Posted by UMP25

I agree. I also believe it is overreacting. I was bumped by a head coach 4 or 5 times in one game on April 2nd. I didn't get overly upset. I informed the coach it would cost him a suspension, wrote the requisite reports, submitted them to the proper people, and was done with it.

Don't tell him it will be a suspension. That's not your job nor your call (even if it is supposed to be automatic.)

Originally Posted by MSPChris

I will agree that calling the police might be an overreaction, but I gotta tell you there are plenty of cases where calling the cops is warranted.

Most of my games are for teenage kids. Some coach that decides he's going to put his hands on me during the course of a game (in anger) has no business dealing with kids, period.

Sometimes the league might do something sometimes they won't -- the truth is a lot of the time it depends on who the adult is and what the situation was. I've read plenty of threads where umpires get blackballed because the coach is a prick, but he's a well-placed prick.

The police don't care who the adult is, or what the situation is. What matters to the police is that Adult A assaulted Adult B.

If you're talking about a participant putting hands on you, that's a whole different ball of wax (legally.)

Bumping, OTOH, is not going to result in assault charges in MN, unless he's threatening you with harm, does it in such a manner that it is an attempt to cause harm, or someone is bored. There might be a citation for disorderly conduct out of it. I will bet a game fee on nothing more than that.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by Matt

Don't tell him it will be a suspension. That's not your job nor your call (even if it is supposed to be automatic.)

Yes it is. I did exactly what I was instructed to do. I told him he was to be suspended; I filled out the reports and sent them to the proper persons, including the NCAA people, one of whom is required to get all umpire reports and suspension reports when a coach commits an infraction that results in a mandatory suspension.

BTW, you might want to look at NCAA Rule 5-16.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Yes it is. I did exactly what I was instructed to do. I told him he was to be suspended; I filled out the reports and sent them to the proper persons, including the NCAA people, one of whom is required to get all umpire reports and suspension reports when a coach commits an infraction that results in a mandatory suspension.

BTW, you might want to look at NCAA Rule 5-16.

BTW, you might want to specify your ruleset.

[UMP25]

It was rather obvious in my OP.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by UMP25

It was rather obvious in my OP.

I wasn't looking at your OP; given the difference in detail, it appeared to be a different incident--in fact, I didn't even notice it was you that posted the first one.