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FredFan7 Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:29pm

Video: Could anything else have been done?
 
YouTube - Baseball bloopers Andre Dawson goes crazy Cincinnati at Chicago Cubs 1991.mp4

Andre Dawson flips out in 1991.

I have four questions:
1) Where was Jim Essian (interim manager) in the first 25 seconds of that argument?
2) Was West too slow to eject?
3) Should the other two younger umpires (I think Winters and Hallion) have come over sooner to help Gregg and West?
4) What would you do if someone did this in one of your games?

GA Umpire Thu Feb 25, 2010 01:04pm

Outside of Pro ball
 
1) Who cares from an umpire's standpoint.
2) Yes, he was slow. As soon as the batter is throwing his hands up and pointing at the plate, WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!
3) They did as they always do. As long as it is One on One and hasn't gotten out of control, they let West do his job. Once Dawson left and Rigg stepped in, it was still One on One and Gregg was handling Dawson. Once he started with the bats, then they stepped in to help if possible.

For amateur ball, BU(s) should be there immediately since there is no telling what an idiot amateur player will do.

4) As soon as the bats come flying, that ball game is over for me. I am leaving mainly for my safety b/c I don't know what else or where else that idiot might be throwing things.

Remember, this is pro ball. They handle and tolerate things differently than we do with amateur players.

GerryB Thu Feb 25, 2010 04:30pm

Riddell power CP, early version?

mrm21711 Thu Feb 25, 2010 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by GerryB (Post 664871)
Riddell power CP, early version?

You beat me to the punch. Looks like the one Wendelstedt wears.

DG Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:20pm

I did not understand a word...

Ump153 Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 664933)
I did not understand a word...

I did: "hotdog" and "Coca Cola"

Mrumpiresir Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:16pm

Cubs Fans are Idiots

bossman72 Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:07am

ahhh fashionable elbecco shirts

Welpe Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:14am

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 664951)
ahhh fashionable elbecco shirts

Come on, you don't miss dressing like the post man? I have a couple in my closet still...not sure why but I do. :D

gordon30307 Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:33am

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Originally Posted by FredFan7 (Post 664779)
YouTube - Baseball bloopers Andre Dawson goes crazy Cincinnati at Chicago Cubs 1991.mp4

Andre Dawson flips out in 1991.

I have four questions:
1) Where was Jim Essian (interim manager) in the first 25 seconds of that argument?
2) Was West too slow to eject?
3) Should the other two younger umpires (I think Winters and Hallion) have come over sooner to help Gregg and West?
4) What would you do if someone did this in one of your games?

Yikes 18 years ago!!!!!!!!!!! Who cares

Kevin Finnerty Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:02am

Wow! That's not a strike at any level. Not close, really. We don't know how many strikes West called that night that were that glaringly bad, so we don't know what the buildup was, but if that call's an indication, someone going berserk was at least understandable.

The Hawk was one of the classiest players in the game. This is obviously one of his low points.

1) Yeah, who cares?
2) The second he waved his arms or pointed, he must go. So yes, the EJ was too slow.
3) Hell, no.
4) Every situation's different. I stay and take whatever comes, but not everyone's the same.

cviverito Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:26pm

Yeah Finn...I don't care about the manager either.

A.D. was initially allowed to demonstrate his opinion of the strike zone. After that West seemed to need something more to get him. Who knows why it went down the way it did.

Here's the aftermath on the 9'oclock news, including Dawson's post game interview. Interesting stuff here regarding player perception. I think it is useful when considering our own professional style. Also...a little humorous in how Andre considers his own actions. Note - there were three EJ's in that game...

YouTube - Chicago Cubs, 1991: Andre Dawson Errupts

Andre mentions the "Show incident" during the interview...here it is for those who don't remember:

YouTube - Andre Dawson Eric Show Beanball

Ahhh the good old days. The professional game continues to lose its verve.

bossman72 Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:05pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665005)
Come on, you don't miss dressing like the post man? I have a couple in my closet still...not sure why but I do. :D

haha those actually went out of style before I even started umpiring. Those went out in mid to late 90's?

Welpe Sat Feb 27, 2010 02:54pm

That's about when, yes. I wore them for a couple of seasons before we switched to the top of the line dazzle navy blue polo!

At least you can say you were wearing football knickers the last few seasons before they became obsolete. :)


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