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SanDiegoSteve · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 12:58pm

I would prefer to get hit in the throat than wear a dangler the way he does. That looks like what the coach said to Eddings. Those two strike calls were pretty bad, and I don't know about running a coach for saying "that's bullsh*t" either. Pretty quick on the trigger, considering he kicked the crap out of both calls. My fuse gets longer, not shorter, when I know I've screwed up that badly.

TussAgee11 · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 05:06pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I would prefer to get hit in the throat than wear a dangler the way he does. That looks like what the coach said to Eddings. Those two strike calls were pretty bad, and I don't know about running a coach for saying "that's bullsh*t" either. Pretty quick on the trigger, considering he kicked the crap out of both calls. My fuse gets longer, not shorter, when I know I've screwed up that badly.

Steve, c'mon. Its auto EJ at any amateur level. You allow that crap, even if you missed it, they see that and feed off it. Next time a close one happens that you got right and they give it to you, and now you're gonna toss? To them, you are never right. So anytime they say something that should get them run, it should get them run. Why make it more complicated. There is a way to give more rope, this isn't one of them.

Squash them like f****** bugs.

SanDiegoSteve · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 07:05pm

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Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Steve, c'mon. Its auto EJ at any amateur level. You allow that crap, even if you missed it, they see that and feed off it. Next time a close one happens that you got right and they give it to you, and now you're gonna toss? To them, you are never right. So anytime they say something that should get them run, it should get them run. Why make it more complicated. There is a way to give more rope, this isn't one of them.

Squash them like f****** bugs.

Really? Throw someone out from the dugout for merely saying "That's bullsh*t" in the adult league I work in and every game will be a forfeit because you will have ejected everyone, and pretty soon you will be sitting home instead of umpiring. The coach didn't say, "You're bullsh*t." He said "That's." Big difference. You don't eject for saying the word "bullshi*t," because it's not offensive, it's merely juvenile. In kiddie ball, yes. With shaving age players, no.

I've done this job quite adequately for nearly a quarter of a century, and would never dream of kicking an adult player out for merely saying those words in an impersonal manner. Get personal, on the other hand....well, you know.

RPatrino · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 07:35pm

In school ball, I would agree about an instant EJ. One of the criteria I use is what would I do if that was said in the classroom. The ball field is an extension of the classroom and is a learning environment, so I expect (with some leeway for the competetive environment) behavior that respects that.

However, like Steve opined, in adult or some higher level of travel ball I would be inclined to ignore it, particularly since it came from the bench.

On the throat protector thing, does he have that hooked in the wrong spot?

DG · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 09:15pm

And so for the college wood bat summer league, if a pitcher says "you are f*cking kidding" in the 1st inning when his throw to 3b after a bunt is not in time to get the force, do you run him? Just want to compare your reaction to mine.

RPatrino · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 09:28pm

I would run this player, with the response, "no, I'm not kidding". He used the magic words, 'you are...'. Unless the last word is something like, 'great, fantastic or exceptional' you will be run.

Game control is very important in these summer games, and in my experience, if you don't stop the bad behavior right away you could be in for long, uncomfortable games.

SanDiegoSteve · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by RPatrino

I would run this player, with the response, "no, I'm not kidding". He used the magic words, 'you are...'. Unless the last word is something like, 'great, fantastic or exceptional' you will be run.

Game control is very important in these summer games, and in my experience, if you don't stop the bad behavior right away you could be in for long, uncomfortable games.

Ditto. I will also eject for violent disapproval of my call with obscene language screamed within earshot of spectators. Again, the word "bullsh*t" is in no manner obscene. F-bombs and GD/JC/SOB screamed loudly is not acceptable on my ball field. For language like that directed at me, they get run. If it's just out of anger at themselves or the situation, they get a warning, with an ejection if they continue or repeat it later. This of course only applies to 18 and up leagues. Youth ball is a different story.

jdmara · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 10:22pm

My favorite part of the explaination, "he left at the same time right before..." That makes sense...

-Josh

Matt · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 06, 2009, 10:47pm

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Originally Posted by DG

And so for the college wood bat summer league, if a pitcher says "you are f*cking kidding" in the 1st inning when his throw to 3b after a bunt is not in time to get the force, do you run him? Just want to compare your reaction to mine.

Since there's a call to be had at 3B, I'd be in C. Since you used the word "says," I'm assuming it was not heard outside the confines of the field. IF this is the case, he's getting warned, but I'm not tossing. I do not think that "you are ****ing kidding" is on a similar plane as "you are ****ing horrible;" the former is a statement of disbelief whereas the latter is an intentional insult.

outathm · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 07, 2009, 09:14am

As a life long Giants fan, yes I had Giant's baby clothes, so it is a life long problem, it pains me to say it, but there is no better voice for Baseball than Vin Scully.

DG · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 07, 2009, 08:27pm

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Since there's a call to be had at 3B, I'd be in C. Since you used the word "says," I'm assuming it was not heard outside the confines of the field. IF this is the case, he's getting warned, but I'm not tossing. I do not think that "you are ****ing kidding" is on a similar plane as "you are ****ing horrible;" the former is a statement of disbelief whereas the latter is an intentional insult.

OK, I play along with your literal interpretation of the word "says" and ask you, if he says it only loud enough for you and F5 and maybe a few guys in the 3b dugout who are paying attention, do you warn him or toss? I know your answer because you already said "he's getting warned".

Kevin Finnerty · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 09, 2009, 03:44pm

Another bu!!sh!t scenario from the loser posing as an umpire to impress the ... guys.

jwwashburn · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 07, 2009, 09:28am

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On the throat protector thing, does he have that hooked in the wrong spot?

Either he does, or I do. I have had one very similar to that for years-I have my throat protector hang from the bottom of the mask(I think it even came with directions)

Kevin Finnerty · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 07, 2009, 10:02am

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Either he does, or I do. I have had one very similar to that for years-I have my throat protector hang from the bottom of the mask(I think it even came with directions)

I called a game with Steve Yeager's kid catching. During the game, I quipped, "Thank your dad for inventing the throat protector."

He didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him how and why it was invented. (His dad was kneeling on deck and a sawed-off bat hit him, and the spike end lodged between his windpipe and his jugular vein. Legendary Dodger trainer Bill Buhler designed it and later marketed it.) Late in my game, the kid called Yeager over and asked him if my story was true, and he just started laughing. He also made a joke, "Why do you think we all drive such nice cars?"

TussAgee11 · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 07, 2009, 11:04am

Listen, at MLB, MiLB, NCAA level, yes, you let it go.

If he says it not directed at me, in the confines of the dugout, I'm letting it go.

If he is on the top step looking right at me when he yells it, bye bye. This isn't a game changing EJ either, this is a slimey bench coach who can go have an early beer. In the video, did Torre seem to care?

You look like you are soft if you don't, and it will only get worse from there as your reputation of being a pushover follows you. Then you'll get some real headaches, don't you think?

Maybe its different depending on how long you've been around. Steve, perhaps if they yell at you, you have a relationship with that team for several years and you know things won't get out of hand. They know you, they know where you draw the line, and there is some mutual understanding.

For someone who is new to that league, those players are TESTING. And PU should rise to the test and grow a pair.

Added in the edit: For rec league amateur ball... not talking about higher levels here.