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SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 08, 2009 04:45pm
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 619464)
According to Vin Scully the count was 3-2. It woud have been a strike 'em out throw 'em out situation. Cooper came up and signaled a swinging strike call. He must of said ball because Ethier dropped his bat and was removing his shin guard at the plate. Meriweather banged Furcal out stealing at 2B.
If the count was 3 and 2, then Cooper's strike signal was as weak as his Time signal. It's like he called it too fast, then mid-signal changed his mind, and didn't do a full punch out. The old "strike-ball" call. I've never done one. Whatever I call it, it stays that way, even when I know immediately that I screwed it up.

Oh, but now after watching the video, it was 3 and 1. Never mind.:rolleyes:

SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 08, 2009 05:00pm
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Originally Posted by realistic (Post 619518)
the worst thing is Coop's timing was so fast. The pitch was a ball like he thought it was. Maybe that was Bruce Campbell's hand signaling strike.
The pitch was right on the corner, or just off. It was very close and he should have left it a strike. Changing your mind is weak. Cooper has never impressed me all that much, speaking of which umps rank where. You are right that he called it too quickly. I haven't seen an arm shoot out that fast since Frank Pulli retired.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 08, 2009 05:01pm
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Originally Posted by zebra2955 (Post 619459)
Just a question. If it was ball four then wouldn't the home run have been a 3 run bomb?
You are most certainly correct, it was a 3-run shot.

rbmartin Sat Aug 08, 2009 08:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 619519)
That's not realistic. Meriweather's back was already turned when Cooper's feeble time signal went up. And when did the rule change that a walk killed play?

7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further, (unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).

Ump153 Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 619558)
7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further,
I think we all know this.

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(unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).
It seems that is what Cooper said.

rbmartin Sun Aug 09, 2009 05:58am
[QUOTE=Ump153;619578]I think we all know this./QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original post. My bad.


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