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LDUB Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 617525)
Major League Baseball umpires are ostensibly the best in the world. And several former MLB umpires are among the best teachers of umpiring in the world. So when there is some bad umpiring going on, it leads one to wonder why we can't come up with someone better. With the microscope of television and delivery of every game that's played, we all see all the bad calls that we can stand, making it look more glaring than it is.

But it seems like Bill Hohn is on more than his share of bad call highlight clips. Is there anyone who is regarded as worse than him?

I thought it was Tim McClelland who was the worst? I guess you just watch TV and whoever appears to miss a close call is the worst to you.

From the other thread...

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And from asking for the appeal with his right hand to working a knee to ringing the guy up for flinching to tossing a guy from 80 feet away ... Hohn's just plain embarrassing.
1. Right hand...who cares? Find a real reason to hate on him.
2. The knee is no longer a valid plate stance now or what?
3. Yeah he missed a call; big deal.
4. How else do you eject someone who is in the dugout? Get a clue.

And before you come and say it, no I'm not being disagreeable;

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 617603)
And before you come and say it, no I'm not being disagreeable;

I don't have a dog in this Michael Vick, but that's just not true. I hate to "disagree," but Luke, you disagree with a lot of people whether their post is idiotic or not.

You just like to disagree and stir the pot. Everyone knows that, and that's okay. That's just you, and we accept you for it. But to say that you only disagree when people post idiotic things is just, well, idiotic.

JR12 Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:54pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 617600)
He once took a foul ball so hard it got knocked off.

Lol!!!

cc6 Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:16am

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 617603)
The knee is no longer a valid plate stance now or what?

I thought the knee stance wasn't used anymore or valid. My guess is one knee would make it hard to move from behind the dish and to see over some catchers.

mbyron Wed Jul 29, 2009 07:22am

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Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 617614)
I thought the knee stance wasn't used anymore or valid. My guess is one knee would make it hard to move from behind the dish and to see over some catchers.

OK, first: you must learn to distinguish MiLB from MLB. In MiLB the umpires toe the line and do exactly as they're told in order to advance. This includes using prescribed plate stances.

In MLB, the umpires can do as they like. The knee does make it more difficult to get out from behind the plate, but in the 4-umpire system that's less of an issue. And plate umpires do not need to "see over" catchers in any currently accepted stance: they're in the slot.

Dakota Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:21am

Actually, Gerry Davis is the worst. No question. :mad:


Wait... never mind.... I'm just holding a grudge for a "bad" call he made 3 years ago... ;)

Steven Tyler Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:25am

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 617603)
I thought it was Tim McClelland who was the worst? I guess you just watch TV and whoever appears to miss a close call is the worst to you.

From the other thread...



1. Right hand...who cares? Find a real reason to hate on him.
2. The knee is no longer a valid plate stance now or what?
3. Yeah he missed a call; big deal.
4. How else do you eject someone who is in the dugout? Get a clue.

And before you come and say it, no I'm not being disagreeable;

I suppose he is a member of the "Bad Umpire of the Month" club.

LMan Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:29am

So, does this mean Doug Eddings is off the hook?

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by LMan (Post 617700)
So, does this mean Doug Eddings is off the hook?

Wait, I thought it was agreed that Angel Hernandez was the worst!

jwwashburn Wed Jul 29, 2009 01:16pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 617629)
OK, first: you must learn to distinguish MiLB from MLB. In MiLB the umpires toe the line and do exactly as they're told in order to advance. This includes using prescribed plate stances.

In MLB, the umpires can do as they like. The knee does make it more difficult to get out from behind the plate, but in the 4-umpire system that's less of an issue. And plate umpires do not need to "see over" catchers in any currently accepted stance: they're in the slot.

The best umpire I ever worked with in High School ball(he used to work NCAA, as well) was about 6'6" and used the knee because it was pretty darn difficult for him to get low enough AND hold that-he found the knee to work very well for him. I never once had a problem with my partner not being in the right spot.

Joe

mbyron Wed Jul 29, 2009 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by LMan (Post 617700)
So, does this mean Doug Eddings is off the hook?

Not for Cards fans.

Anyway, I thought it was C. B. Bucknor. :confused:

jwwashburn Wed Jul 29, 2009 01:25pm

Wow!

I forgot just how bad this was.

If that fist pump was not an out signal, what was it?

And for Eddings to say he actually KNEW Paul did not catch it is preposterous. there is NO way that the PU could know that. Even from the super slow mo, I do not think anyone could know that.

Kevin Finnerty Wed Jul 29, 2009 01:55pm

I don't know how many pitches most people have caught with a catcher's mitt, but I have caught countless thousands, and there are catches you make with the web mashed into the ground and the ball hits the web and bounces up into the pocket of the mitt. That's the kind of catch that Josh Paul made on that Eddings disaster.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 29, 2009 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 617764)
I don't know how many pitches most people have caught with a catcher's mitt, but I have caught countless thousands, and there are catches you make with the web mashed into the ground and the ball hits the web and bounces up into the pocket of the mitt. That's the kind of catch that Josh Paul made on that Eddings disaster.

I don't want to rehash this, as we thoroughly discussed the play at length, but I watched the Comcast replay close-up over and over, and it looked to me that the ball hit dirt, and kicked up a little dirt as it bounced into the glove. In any case, it is incumbent on a catcher to realize that it may or may not be called a catch, and Josh Paul should have tagged Pierzynski just to be certain. Eddings changed the way we call the play, but it would have been moot if Paul had done his job properly.

Kevin Finnerty Wed Jul 29, 2009 03:00pm

Agreed.

And it was the last thing Paul ever did as an Angel.


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