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Kevin Finnerty Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:00pm

If you act now ...
 
You can be THE FIRST in your unit to have the NEW trend setting colors from OFFICIAL'S CHOICE:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...parkguy/OC.jpg

GA Umpire Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:04pm

I'll take 2. :D

briancurtin Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:07pm

I would rather use the $12.50 as toilet paper.

Yes, including the 50 cents.

mbyron Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:10pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 615275)
Yes, including the 50 cents.

See you and Richard Gere in the ER. :D

zm1283 Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:15pm

I can't quite figure out why there is an "Entry Level" and a "Premium Level" shirt. Why not just make one?

jdmara Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:27pm

These would go perfect with my RED ball bag! YES!!

-Josh

waltjp Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:27pm

- BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND -

Translated - We fired the bonehead who ordered these colors but now we're stuck with them.

kylejt Fri Jul 17, 2009 04:06pm

I gotta tell ya, the maroon is pretty sharp looking with the GD charcoal pants. I got a freebie from them, and I'm buying several for my other crew mates.

Toss out your preconceived notions about colors (WWMLBguysW), and think about what colors go well with dark gray slacks. Now I understand that the only taste some of you guys have is in your mouth, so try play along, okay?

If I look in my non-umpire closet, I've got zero baby blue golf shirts. Several red, a couple of navy, a few black and green ones two. I don't think I'd wear a powder blue polo shirt, nor a pink one. If Joe West wore a pink paisley shirt, half you guys would be hitting the keyboards searching for one. The same ones that have those half sleeved smocks in your arsenal.

So stop thinking about what other umpires wear, and start thinking about what looks good. When I roll with a crew wearing red (no, no red ball bags) we get nothing but compliments. Powder? Nothing. Black is always sharp. Cream? Please. You're wearing black based colored pants, and you want to toss in brown? Would you wear a brown shirt with a gray suit? I hope not.

Are these the best quality shirts? No. They're cut weird, and the light blue doesn't match any other makers shirts. But they are comfortable on hot days, and the long sleeved black is a keeper. The chocolate one is just stupid, as is their version of red. I haven't seen the sage, so I won't pass judgment. It might look pretty good with the gray.

Look, 20 years from now you'll be chuckling at the garb you're wearing now. (Think elbcos, beanies, pillows, etc). And you won't be caught dead in an MLB polo blue shirt either. Hell, we might all be wearing maroon base coats, and turtlenecks again. What goes around.....

Ump153 Fri Jul 17, 2009 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615294)
I gotta tell ya, the maroon is pretty sharp looking with the GD charcoal pants. I got a freebie from them, and I'm buying several for my other crew mates.

Toss out your preconceived notions about colors (WWMLBguysW), and think about what colors go good with dark gray slacks. Now I understand that the only taste some you guys have is in your mouth, so try to keep up.

If I look in my non-umpire closet, I've got zero baby blue golf shirts. Several red, a couple of navy, a few black and green ones two. I don't think I'd wear a powder blue polo shirt, nor a pink one. If Joe West wore a pink paisley shirt, half you guys would be hitting the keyboards searching for one. The same ones that have those half sleeved smocks in your arsenal.

So stop thinking about what other umpires wear, and start thinking about what looks good.


Using the this logic, I'd never wear black and white stripes on the football field or basketball court.

kcg NC2Ablu Fri Jul 17, 2009 04:47pm

LAME shirts. why cant we just go with two or three colors not the whole crayola 64 styles

kylejt Fri Jul 17, 2009 09:02pm

Don't even start me
 
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Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 615302)
Using the this logic, I'd never wear black and white stripes on the football field or basketball court.


Good.
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LDUB Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 615279)
I can't quite figure out why there is an "Entry Level" and a "Premium Level" shirt. Why not just make one?

Any company that makes a entry level shirt is just crazy...:rolleyes:

Honig's Whistle Stop Online Store - Products
Signature Series Umpire Shirts: Gerry Davis Sports

kylejt Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:39pm

[QUOTE=LDUB;615356]Any company that makes a entry level shirt is just crazy...:rolleyes:

Dalco has been doing quite well for years doing just that. There's a market for crappy stuff. Every Mom 'n Pop sporting goods store has a bunch of awful, entry level Dalco umpire shirts collecting dust in a corner somewhere.

zm1283 Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 615356)
Any company that makes a entry level shirt is just crazy...:rolleyes:

Honig's Whistle Stop Online Store - Products
Signature Series Umpire Shirts: Gerry Davis Sports

The Honig's basketball shirt you linked is 100% polyester - totally different from the mesh-type shirts that everyone wears now.

What is the difference in the two OC shirts? Either way, I won't buy them. Their stripes on the sleeves and collars are too wide. Their MLB blue and cream are completely the wrong shade. Their jackets aren't too bad. I saw one up close this spring.

waltjp Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:01am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615294)
I gotta tell ya, the maroon is pretty sharp looking with the GD charcoal pants. I got a freebie from them, and I'm buying several for my other crew mates.

Toss out your preconceived notions about colors (WWMLBguysW), and think about what colors go well with dark gray slacks. Now I understand that the only taste some of you guys have is in your mouth, so try play along, okay?

Sure, those colors would look great if you were serving drinks next to the pool as some posh hotel.

Ump153 Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:22am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615357)
There's a market for crappy stuff.

Obviously:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615357)
I gotta tell ya, the maroon is pretty sharp looking with the GD charcoal pants. I got a freebie from them, and I'm buying several for my other crew mates.


LDUB Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:43am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 615359)
The Honig's basketball shirt you linked is 100% polyester - totally different from the mesh-type shirts that everyone wears now.

What is the difference in the two OC shirts? Either way, I won't buy them. Their stripes on the sleeves and collars are too wide. Their MLB blue and cream are completely the wrong shade. Their jackets aren't too bad. I saw one up close this spring.

That is a football shirt; it has a byron collar and a pocket. There is another 100% polyester shirt which costs $10 more. The link I provided was an economy line football shirt.

Some (many) of you need to take a step back and realize that all of these little things don't matter. Almost none of the players nor managers are going to notice that the OC shirt has wider stripes and none of them are going to care. No one is going to look at some plate shoes and say "gosh, the white vector on the side is just too big." No one is going to say "why is the base umpire wearing Davis brand pants which don't match standard charcoal pants?" I've read on here that some guys have shirts with US flags attached and shirts without flags so that they can match their partner no matter if his shirts have flags or not...I find that very amusing as it doesn't matter at all.

As Kyle said it makes no sense why some of you guys hate on certain color umpire shirts yet wear a shirt of that same color around town all day.

JJ Sat Jul 18, 2009 07:55am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615294)
I gotta tell ya, the maroon is pretty sharp looking with the GD charcoal pants. I got a freebie from them, and I'm buying several for my other crew mates.
What goes around.....

I've got some black pants and a short sleeved white shirt hanging in the closet - and wouldn't they look sharp with a thin black tie, dinner jacket, and a snappy little black beanie?

JJ

DonInKansas Sat Jul 18, 2009 07:58am

Last week was the first time I got to break out my white shirt (my partner was the guy who advised me that area umpires were using them) and actually heard a couple comments from players that hadn't seen them before. I tell ya, when it's 98 degrees for a 7PM start, I noticed the difference. Made the game pretty dang tolerable.

I definitely take it off and hang it up BEFORE the post game hotdog though. :D:D

JR12 Sat Jul 18, 2009 08:25am

I have both white's. The one with red/blue trim and the one with black trim. BEST shirt to wear on those HOT sunny days. Plus the open mesh breathes a little.

Kevin Finnerty Sat Jul 18, 2009 08:30am

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 615365)
That is a football shirt; it has a byron collar and a pocket. There is another 100% polyester shirt which costs $10 more. The link I provided was an economy line football shirt.

Some (many) of you need to take a step back and realize that all of these little things don't matter. Almost none of the players nor managers are going to notice that the OC shirt has wider stripes and none of them are going to care. No one is going to look at some plate shoes and say "gosh, the white vector on the side is just too big." No one is going to say "why is the base umpire wearing Davis brand pants which don't match standard charcoal pants?" I've read on here that some guys have shirts with US flags attached and shirts without flags so that they can match their partner no matter if his shirts have flags or not...I find that very amusing as it doesn't matter at all.

As Kyle said it makes no sense why some of you guys hate on certain color umpire shirts yet wear a shirt of that same color around town all day.

Absolutely untrue. If you don't match, it's noticed. If the shade of your shirt doesn't match, or if you're wearing some cheap, see-through fabric, or some non-standard color--whether it looks good or not--it's noticed. And if you're wearing some attention-grabbing shoes, it's noticed. Salt stains, fading, wrinkles, dusty shoes ... it's all noticed. Not by all, but by some.

At least, that's the way it is where I work.

kylejt Sat Jul 18, 2009 08:59am

Let me tell ya, EVERYONE noticed when we rolled out like this.

If you put your ear really close to the monitor, you can hear the calliope music playing.
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/umpires.jpg

bob jenkins Sat Jul 18, 2009 09:08am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 615359)
Their MLB blue and cream are completely the wrong shade.

The polo blue is the correct shade.

And, to put it in perspective, the navy from honings didn't match the navy from +POS which didn't match the Navy from Cliff Keen which didn't match .....

No one seemed to care then.

And, although I watch far less MLB than some of you and I certainly don't pay as much attention to the umpires when I do, it seems to me that they are wearing black shirts with a wider stripe now than they used to. (Having said that, I also agree that OC has gone overboard with the width of the stripe).

zm1283 Sat Jul 18, 2009 09:10am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615395)
The polo blue is the correct shade.

And, to put it in perspective, the navey from honings didn't match the navy from +POS which didn't match the Navy from .....

No one seemed to care then.

True about the navy.

The polo blues that I've seen are darker than any other brand's polo blue. At least the collars and sleeves look right on their polo blue though.

Don't get me started on their cream. I don't even like cream to begin with, but theirs takes it to another level.

bob jenkins Sat Jul 18, 2009 09:31am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 615396)
The polo blues that I've seen are darker than any other brand's polo blue.

Maybe the other brands are wrong? ;)

Many of them are just the powder blue, with a different trim. I've seen some that are like the powder, but with a greenish tint added.

I think (but I might be wrong) that Honigs came out with the first polo blue. The OC matches that.

kylejt Sat Jul 18, 2009 09:41am

The OC polo blue is much darker, with sort of a gray mixed in, than any other makers. And their navy is also much darker.

By themselves, they're actually pretty good looking. But they don't match any other manufacturer's shirts.

Did I mention what the chocolate shirt matches?

(Hint: What's brown, and sounds like a bell?)

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:27am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615394)
Let me tell ya, EVERYONE noticed when we rolled out like this.

If you put your ear really close to the monitor, you can hear the calliope music playing.
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/umpires.jpg


Is that you working the plate?

LDUB Sat Jul 18, 2009 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 615393)
Absolutely untrue. If you don't match, it's noticed. If the shade of your shirt doesn't match, or if you're wearing some cheap, see-through fabric, or some non-standard color--whether it looks good or not--it's noticed. And if you're wearing some attention-grabbing shoes, it's noticed. Salt stains, fading, wrinkles, dusty shoes ... it's all noticed. Not by all, but by some.

At least, that's the way it is where I work.

How many people notice? After a game if you polled both of the teams as well as the spectators and asked them if they noticed anything about the trim on the umpires' shirts what percentage would be able to tell you that one had wider stripes? And what percentage of them would say that the difference in stripes bothered them?

I never said that shoes with a logo would not be noticed. I said no one would care. No player is sitting in the dugout and saying "I can't believe that guy is wearing those shoes on the field." Of course people will notice whatever color shirt the umpire is wearing but they will not care. It is an umpire shirt and it is fine with them.

Dirty, wrinkled pants with holes is different. You seem to equate that to using a "non-standard color" of shirt. I don't even know how you define a "non-standard color". Wasn't navy non-standard when it first came out? Polo blue had never been seen until a few years ago but not it is common.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615395)
And, to put it in perspective, the navy from honings didn't match the navy from +POS which didn't match the Navy from Cliff Keen which didn't match .....

There were differences in the sleeve trim width also, correct? On a navy shirt the red stripe would be thin but the bottom white stripe would be very thick.

mbyron Sat Jul 18, 2009 03:51pm

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 615303)
LAME shirts. why cant we just go with two or three colors not the whole crayola 64 styles

Did you mean lamé?

http://img2.allposters.com/images/DES/D879.jpg

JR12 Sat Jul 18, 2009 06:14pm

I have some OC shirts and other brands, so I can always match my partner.

GA Umpire Sat Jul 18, 2009 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 615406)
Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615394)
Let me tell ya, EVERYONE noticed when we rolled out like this.

If you put your ear really close to the monitor, you can hear the calliope music playing.
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/umpires.jpg

Is that you working the plate?

I think he is the green guy in the background.

bob jenkins Sat Jul 18, 2009 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615400)
The OC polo blue is much darker, with sort of a gray mixed in, than any other makers.


I happened to have both my OC and my Honig's Polo Blue in the car today. Exactly the same color.

kylejt Sat Jul 18, 2009 08:05pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615445)
I happened to have both my OC and my Honig's Polo Blue in the car today. Exactly the same color.

Perhaps I have an early run of the OC shirts (April of last year), and they've made a correction. Mine are quite a different shade than my Honig's. Interesting.

And yeah, that's me with the plate coat. I was a last minute fill-in, and had to figure out a different getup, which was the theme for the evening. The Lime green guy(?) is Thunder, the mascot for the Lake Elsinore Storm. He had all fly balls to center field (not really). And there is no hard evidence that I did the Chicken dance with him in the fourth inning.

Almost as cool as the Swinging Friar, from the Padres, actually working the fryer at our field. (Notice the granite countertops, how many snackbars/MLB parks can boast that?)
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/friar13.JPG

Kevin Finnerty Sat Jul 18, 2009 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615445)
I happened to have both my OC and my Honig's Polo Blue in the car today. Exactly the same color.

The original OC polo is a duller shade than Honig's, Smitty, Dalco or Majestic. And in the originals, the piping on the black was narrower, and the navy was a true navy, and the cream was a true cream and the gray was with a standard trim, and the ...

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615450)
Perhaps I have an early run of the OC shirts (April of last year), and they've made a correction. Mine are quite a different shade than my Honig's. Interesting.

And yeah, that's me with the plate coat. I was a last minute fill-in, and had to figure out a different getup, which was the theme for the evening. The Lime green guy(?) is Thunder, the mascot for the Lake Elsinore Storm. He had all fly balls to center field (not really). And there is no hard evidence that I did the Chicken dance with him in the fourth inning.

Almost as cool as the Swinging Friar, from the Padres, actually working the fryer at our field. (Notice the granite countertops, how many snackbars/MLB parks can boast that?)

So, at Rancho Buena Vista Little League, you folks are so rich you use 7-man crews for your games?:)

kylejt Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:20am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 615476)
So, at Rancho Buena Vista Little League, you folks are so rich you use 7-man crews for your games?:)

Those were all volunteers. But yeah, we do all right. How about stadium seats from the Big A?
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/friar12.JPG
A view from our balcony (I'm workin' the GD stance, thank you)
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/ph...%20balcony.jpg
A two story clubhouse, complete with an umpires changing room, real bathrooms, a professional kitchen, webcams and meeting room. Our own wells for watering the fields. Musco lights. Lighted batting cages. A tree lined view in the outfield. Etc.
http://www.leaguelineup.com/rbvll/photos/DSC_0001.jpg

All donated by our generous community.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jul 19, 2009 01:54am

And then up at Fairbanks Ranch, where they make you guys look penniless, where I've umpired Jack McDowell, Kirk McCaskill and Trevor Hoffman's kids, they have one of the lousiest, crappiest, run-down fields with no facilities whatsoever. Go figure.

RBV is a nice area. I used to do Longhorns games (Dave Roberts days) and adult league ball at RBV high.

bob jenkins Sun Jul 19, 2009 08:49am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 615450)
Perhaps I have an early run of the OC shirts (April of last year), and they've made a correction. Mine are quite a different shade than my Honig's. Interesting.[/IMG]


Interesting indeed. I think that's about when I got my first set. And, I just recently received some more (within he past month or so). No difference between them -- although Kevin's comment means I'll have to go check the trim, now.

And, I recently ordered some Smitty's -- they were of a completely different color, so I sent them back.

zm1283 Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:33pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615508)
Interesting indeed. I think that's about when I got my first set. And, I just recently received some more (within he past month or so). No difference between them -- although Kevin's comment means I'll have to go check the trim, now.

And, I recently ordered some Smitty's -- they were of a completely different color, so I sent them back.

I bought some Smitty cream shirts this summer. I liked them at first, but the material isn't very strong (One has a hole in it already) and the fit is odd. I bought a large for the plate, which fits okay, and a medium for the bases, which is too small. I like my Dalco shirts better. I'll get those or the Ump-Attire shirts next time.

Rcichon Mon Jul 20, 2009 08:08am

funny
 
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Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 615284)
- back by popular demand -

translated - we fired the bonehead who ordered these colors but now we're stuck with them.

bwaaahhh ha ha ha ;)

socalblue1 Mon Jul 20, 2009 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 615508)
Interesting indeed. I think that's about when I got my first set. And, I just recently received some more (within he past month or so). No difference between them -- although Kevin's comment means I'll have to go check the trim, now.

And, I recently ordered some Smitty's -- they were of a completely different color, so I sent them back.

OC changed the trim so that it no longer matches (Or comes close to matching) the other shirts out there. Read his tag line - the owner thinks his concept is the ONLY one & all will change to his thinking. Cost him 600+ shirts from our association when we made the switch to black & MLB polo.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Jul 20, 2009 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 615425)
How many people notice? After a game if you polled both of the teams as well as the spectators and asked them if they noticed anything about the trim on the umpires' shirts what percentage would be able to tell you that one had wider stripes? And what percentage of them would say that the difference in stripes bothered them?

I never said that shoes with a logo would not be noticed. I said no one would care. No player is sitting in the dugout and saying "I can't believe that guy is wearing those shoes on the field." Of course people will notice whatever color shirt the umpire is wearing but they will not care. It is an umpire shirt and it is fine with them.

Dirty, wrinkled pants with holes is different. You seem to equate that to using a "non-standard color" of shirt. I don't even know how you define a "non-standard color". Wasn't navy non-standard when it first came out? Polo blue had never been seen until a few years ago but not it is common.

You're a disagreeable person, so it's only natural for you to also disagree with whatever contention I might make on this subject.

Take a poll ... I simply choose to go along with the accepted practices out of respect for the vocation.

I wasn't equating anything with shirts that don't match. I was emphasizing that, from the tip of the button on the top of one's cap, to the tip of one's shoes---everything matters. The way a patch is affixed to a pocket matters. The way a shirt is tucked in matters. The way slacks fit matters. The way shoes are cleaned matters. Everything matters. It matters to most umpires, some baseball people and a few observers. It also matters to every evaluator and almost every assignor. We had an assignor reject the wider stripe OC black shirts. Another assigner declared at the playoff meeting: "And don't even think of showing up with one of those shirts that doesn't match anybody else's. The ones with the pink buttons like his! Get a real shirt."

It matters, and it will continue to matter to me. If it does not matter to you, go ahead and continue to think and do whatever you wish.

bob jenkins Tue Jul 21, 2009 08:29am

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Originally Posted by socalblue1 (Post 615717)
OC changed the trim so that it no longer matches (Or comes close to matching) the other shirts out there.

I checked mine yesterday -- the same trim as on the older (about a year) POLO shirts and the same as on the POLO honigs (of a similar age). I'm as confused as anyone why mine seem to match and others' don't.

Quote:

Read his tag line - the owner thinks his concept is the ONLY one & all will change to his thinking. Cost him 600+ shirts from our association when we made the switch to black & MLB polo.
I agree with this.


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