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johnnyg08 Tue Jul 07, 2009 06:58pm

Angle at the plate
 
The caption of this picture states that R3 is scoring or attempts to score from
3B on a bunt attempt. Help me w/ PU's angle on this play. Am I looking at it correctly? Is PU out of position here?


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SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 07, 2009 07:31pm

I find it hard to believe that the picture wasn't miscaptioned. I have never seen any PU take position inside fair territory on a squeeze play.


AFTER FURTHER REVIEW:
It appears that I was looking at it wrong. He is in foul territory near 1BLX. Not all that bad of position on a squeeze. Once I looked at the bigger photo I saw where I was mistaken.

UmpJM Tue Jul 07, 2009 07:52pm

johnny,

It's certainly not "textbook" positioning.

Without knowing how the play developed and how he got there, it's hard to comment meaningfully on the mechanics.

To me, it looks like he had an excellent view of everything he would need to see to render a decision, and he appeared to be nicely set to see his call.

JM

Bishopcolle Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 613139)
I find it hard to believe that the picture wasn't miscaptioned. I have never seen any PU take position inside fair territory on a squeeze play.


AFTER FURTHER REVIEW:
It appears that I was looking at it wrong. He is in foul territory near 1BLX. Not all that bad of position on a squeeze. Once I looked at the bigger photo I saw where I was mistaken.

Sorry, Steve, he's in foul territory on the 3rd base side of the plate....look at the plate.....OOPS, my goof....you said 1st baseline extended....CORRECT! My bad!

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 613166)
Sorry, Steve, he's in foul territory on the 3rd base side of the plate....look at the plate.....

That's what I said...near 1BLX, which is in foul territory on the 3rd base side.

Bishopcolle Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:17pm

LOL...we posted at the same time...SORRY....

bossman72 Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:10pm

I prefer 3BLX 90% of the time. Funny... The other day, I actually read a throw from the outfield being on line, went to 1BLX, and there ended up being a swipe tag since R2 did a hook slide. So, wasn't in the best position to see the tag/miss OR R2 touching the plate, so I made my best judgment.

Moral of the story, when in doubt, go to 3BLX

yo...blue... Wed Jul 08, 2009 07:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 613188)

Moral of the story, when in doubt, go to 3BLX

When in doubt, stay at the point of the plate. 3BLX will not give you proper angle if the plate is being blocked.

David B Wed Jul 08, 2009 07:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yo...blue... (Post 613218)
When in doubt, stay at the point of the plate. 3BLX will not give you proper angle if the plate is being blocked.

That is good advice, but in this type of play, at point of plate you are blocked and cannot see the tag since the runner has slide around the plate.

So you either have to move a step or so one way or the other. I usually choose to move to 1BLX but that is simply preference.

Thanks
David

njdevs00cup Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 613132)
The caption of this picture states that R3 is scoring or attempts to score from
3B on a bunt attempt. Help me w/ PU's angle on this play. Am I looking at it correctly? Is PU out of position here?


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Could be, but the PU has fair/foul call first. Nothing is said about the direction of the bunt. This could influence where he made the call at the plate from.

dash_riprock Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:13am

From that camera angle, it's tough to tell how far away from the play PU is, but he may be a tad too close. Being right on top of it usually does not help.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:14pm

Quote:

Last edited by Bishopcolle; Yesterday at 07:16pm. Reason: apologize to Steve
Well, there is no need to apologize, but I accept yours anyway! The BLX's are confusing sometimes when you are trying to think which is which.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by yo...blue... (Post 613218)
When in doubt, stay at the point of the plate. 3BLX will not give you proper angle if the plate is being blocked.

I agree, and you get instant rep power for this post. What? Wrong forum? Oh, never mind then.:)

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 613247)
From that camera angle, it's tough to tell how far away from the play PU is, but he may be a tad too close. Being right on top of it usually does not help.

Who told you this? He's not to close. Tag plays are not like force plays. Unless you are actually interfering with the play itself, there is no such thing as too close to a tag.

dash_riprock Wed Jul 08, 2009 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 613304)
Unless you are actually interfering with the play itself, there is no such thing as too close to a tag.

Who told you this?


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