batting out of order

[jesmael]

batting order is able, baker, charlie, david, edward. Able stikes out,baker walks, than edward goes to bat out of turn and strikes out. What is the call?

[Jim Porter]

Originally posted by jesmael
batting order is able, baker, charlie, david, edward. Able stikes out,baker walks, than edward goes to bat out of turn and strikes out. What is the call?

If the defense (and only the defense) notices and appeals before any pitch, play, or attempted play in the next half inning, then Charlie is declared out for batting out of turn and the strike out nullified. The next proper batter would be David.

If the defense does not legally appeal, then the first pitch by the opposing pitcher would legitimize Edwards at-bat and strike out, and Frank would be the next proper batter.

[Whowefoolin]

Jim,

So the defense appeals AFTER the strike out of Edwards and it is nullified?

You can't nullify a strike out can you? The offense gained the advantage of the batting out of order.

Strike out stands and Dillwood is up next!!!

[bluezebra]

How has the offense gained an advantage? Charlie's out. David's up. And, who the heck is Dillwood?

Bob

[jesmael]

OK, it is just the way the rules read 6.07b(2) nullify any advance or score made becuase of a ball batted by the improper batter or becuase of the improper batter's advance to first base on a hit, an arror, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise.

it does not say it nullifies the out made by the batter, it is very clear that it nullifies anything good for the offense, so I would assume an put out or strike out will hold and the results would be two outs, david up to bat.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by jesmael
OK, it is just the way the rules read 6.07b(2) nullify any advance or score made becuase of a ball batted by the improper batter or becuase of the improper batter's advance to first base on a hit, an arror, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise.

it does not say it nullifies the out made by the batter, it is very clear that it nullifies anything good for the offense, so I would assume an put out or strike out will hold and the results would be two outs, david up to bat.

See Play (3) under 6.07 for an example showing that the defense does not get two outs.

Also, NAPBL 2.3 shows that "outs or advances" are nullified.

[STEVED21]

The only real question here is who is the next batter. If the defense appeals, David is the next batter. If they don't Frank is the next batter.There are still 2 outs. The symantics are strike out vs. BOO. The number three batter is still OUT.

To Who:There is no way that David is the next batter if there is no appeal. Frank is the next proper batter after Edward.

[Edited by STEVED21 on Jul 10th, 2002 at 02:33 PM]

[Bfair]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

See Play (3) under 6.07 for an example showing that the defense does not get two outs.

Also, NAPBL 2.3 shows that "outs or advances" are nullified.

While Bob is correct for OBR, we shouldn't fail to note that Fed rule on this is different.

In Fed, if BOO is appealed at the proper time, any outs that occurred during any play started by a batted ball of the improper batter will be allowed to stand---except for the out on the improper batter himself. Only 1 out can be declared for the batting slot, and that out will be on the proper batter who did not bat. If an improper batter were to hit a fielder's choice, the runner put out would remain out, the improper batter would be removed from base, and the batter who should have batted would be declared out. Thus, the defense obtains 2 outs as a result of the play started by the improper batter.

Additionally, true for both OBR and Fed, any advances that occur during the batting of the improper that are not a result of the improper batter---stolen bases, wild throws, balks, etc---will be allowed to stand. No advance for any offensive player resulting from the improper batter batting the ball will be allowed to stand.


Just my opinion,

Freix