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TheUmp128 Wed Apr 29, 2009 07:26am

Base Awarded from the Pitch or Throw?
 
Hello, first of all! Been lurking for a while just reading your thoughts. I like this site.

A little background on myself. Illinois High School Official for both baseball and softball(2 years). Also do ASA ball.



So here's the scenario. Runner on 1st, Batter pops up. Balls Caught. R1 heads back to 1st to tag the base. F6 throws ball to first, which sails over F3 and goes into dead ball territory. My partner awards only 2nd base based on Throw. Coach comes out and argues it's from the Pitch and he needs to be given 3rd.

NFHS rules. Looking for the correct ruling.

dash_riprock Wed Apr 29, 2009 07:43am

It's a two-base award. R1 was on 1st at the TOP and TOT. How can he NOT get 3rd?

PeteBooth Wed Apr 29, 2009 08:10am

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Originally Posted by TheUmp128 (Post 598541)
Hello, first of all! Been lurking for a while just reading your thoughts. I like this site.

A little background on myself. Illinois High School Official for both baseball and softball(2 years). Also do ASA ball.



So here's the scenario. Runner on 1st, Batter pops up. Balls Caught. R1 heads back to 1st to tag the base. F6 throws ball to first, which sails over F3 and goes into dead ball territory. My partner awards only 2nd base based on Throw. Coach comes out and argues it's from the Pitch and he needs to be given 3rd.

NFHS rules. Looking for the correct ruling.


Please read section 8 and also look at the FED base award table in the book.

This is not the FIRST play by an infielder so the award is 2 bases from TOT.

R1 should have been awarded third base.

Pete Booth

UmpJM Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:18am

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 598559)
Please read section 8 and also look at the FED base award table in the book.

This is not the FIRST play by an infielder so the award is 2 bases from TOT.

R1 should have been awarded third base.

Pete Booth

Pete,

Not that it makes any difference in this sitch, but this IS the "first play by an infielder" for purposes of determining the starting point for the award - 2 bases TOP.

Catching the pop-up is NOT a "play", but the (errant) throw to 1B is.

JM

TheUmp128 Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:05am

Thanks to all for the replies

ManInBlue Wed Apr 29, 2009 08:40pm

Like dash said - Last legally occupied base was 1st - it doesn't matter TOP or TOT - it's 3rd either way.

UmpJm is right, fielding a batted ball is not considered a play when determining "first play by an infielder."


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