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So a flying ninja kick is legal over a fielder on the ground; just not flying headbutts.:p

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas (Post 597868)

So a flying ninja kick is legal over a fielder on the ground; just not flying headbutts.:p

A flying headbutt is also legal as long as the runners feet are beneath him.

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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 597851)

True, but a ball carrier is not allowed to hurdle unless the player, offense or defense, is lying on the ground. So the ruling is similar in FB.

This is not close to the football ruling. It is illegal to hurdle an "opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet."

It's legal to hurdle a defender who is kneeling, sitting, or bent over with one or both hands on the ground.

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Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 597874)

Again, didn't say it was the same, just similar.

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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 597898)

Again, didn't say it was the same, just similar.

Actually you said, "This is the same ruling in FB too."

You also defended diving as legal (same as in FB), and claimed the incorrect answer to the exam was indeed correct.

But I'm not keeping track.;)

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 597833)

RULING: Legal. The poster would have been called out for diving over missed questions.

That's quite a leap, but at least we got over that hurdle.

MHSAA Response to the "Dive" Question

Mark at MHSAA replied to my inquiry regarding this question. He stated, in so many words, that a runner may not "dive" over a defender, even one lying on the ground. Mentioned also that those who had that response were given credit on the state's internal database that registers everyone's grade

Define Lying Down

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Originally Posted by ljdave (Post 597778)

I missed the following question on my state test:

R1, one out. R1 is stealing on the pitch. B3 hits a line drive to F3's right. F3 dives and catches the ball for the 2nd out. While F3 is lying on the ground, R1 dives over F3's prone body and gets back to first base before F3 is able to tag either R1 or the base.

a. R1 is guilty of interference.
b. R1 is out for diving over F3.
c. F3 is guilty of obstruction and R1 is awarded second base.
d. Legal play.

I said (b), the state says its (d).

Rule 8-4-2-b-2: "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal."

What am I missing? Thanks for your input.

I get confused sometimes when we get a little off track in the posts so I am assuming that Lying Down would be in a Prone Position (flat out, on back or on stomach). Knees on the ground (one or two), sitting on the ground is not lying down, therefore a runner can not Jump, hurdle, leap or dive over the fielder if the fielder is not lying down, Illegal and Runner called Out. Diving over a fielder in any position is illegal, Runner called Out. This is how I am understanding the rule and application. I guess I would have answered B as well.

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Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 598288)

I get confused sometimes when we get a little off track in the posts so I am assuming that Lying Down would be in a Prone Position (flat out, on back or on stomach).

Actually, I believe that prone would be flat out on stomach. Lying down on back would be supine. :p

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Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue (Post 598482)

Actually, I believe that prone would be flat out on stomach. Lying down on back would be supine. :p

Great usage of proper medical nomenclature.;)