End of game in Milwaukee
 

Did anybody see the Milwaukee walk off win yesterday in which the Cubs catcher threw the ball into the ground after the umpire called the runner safe? Why did the umpire not eject the catcher? Just because the game is over doesn't mean you can't throw him out. Why did the umpire stand on the field despite the game being over? Why did he leave through the Cub's dugout, and finally why did he accept any argument from Lou Pinella? Once the game is over there is no use hanging around the field.

Edited to add the clip: http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/new...=.jsp&c_id=mil

Hey fellas, can I take this one? Can I, can I, please????

1. The game was over and these are grown men, not children. You don't eject grown men after the game is over. And all he did was slam the ball down. So freakin' what?

2. The umpire's dressing room must most certainly be located through that particular dugout (and for no other reason).

3. Lou Pinella is a professional baseball manager, and is therefore afforded the courtesy of arguing the call of an umpire. That's how it goes. These umpires have to deal with these managers for the whole year, and year after year. It's called game management. These umpires don't mind a good argument, and they don't shy away from them.

SUMMARY: These guys are pros, and they don't go around being hotheads with quick, itchy trigger fingers. They know how to deal with pinheads like Sweet Lou.

Steve, perhaps it's because unlike NCAA, there's no such thing as a post-game ejection in MLB. The league can decide to impose any fines for such actions if deemed necessary, especially if the umpire files a report for the heck of it; but other than that, this isn't NCAA.

Good explanation, SS! Couldn't have done it better myself.

Well played, Steve. But I have a feeling that will not be the end of this thread...

[Tongue-in-cheek] I would also add we don't know why the catcher slammed the ball down. Maybe he was just mad about losing. In this case, the umpire did a fine job being sensitive to the player's need to process the negative emotions he was feeling. ;) [/tongue-in-cheek]

Because it was not rec league, high school or Little League. It was professional baseball managed very well.

Did not look like an argument from Lou, I have seen Lou argue. Looked more like a discussion.

How many here would toss the catcher for this in a HS game?

Not me.

Me either. I don't see a big deal here. How many times have we seen defensive players throw gloves to the ground on game ending plays? How many times we seen a pitcher throw his glove into the bench when coming off the field after being relieved after giving up a game changing HR?

I walked off the field a week ago with my partner through the dugout of the visiting team who just lost a conference game due to a balk in a tie game in bottom of the 7th. It was an obvious balk and the pitcher was very mad and upset, but I saw no reason to toss him after the game was over.

"Minnesota’s Denard Span was ejected by plate umpire Brian Gorman for arguing after taking a called third strike to end the game"


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Maybe he was too busy laughing at Koyie Hill's reaction cause the play was not even close.

For those of you that are criticizing me for bringing this up, I don't work MLB, so try to keep that in mind. I thought the plate umpire did a poor job of handling the situation, end of story. The catcher looked at him, then when he saw the safe call threw the ball. To me he threw it in frustration at the umpire, and as someone else here pointed out, post-game ejections can happen in the mlb. Also, thrown equipment is an automatic ejection in the mlb.

Really? In all MLB games, or just yours?

I said MLB.

[QUOTE=cc6;595490Also, thrown equipment is an automatic ejection in the mlb.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, I did not know that. I guess those guys are really blowing it out there, because I see a ton on hammered helmets after bang-bangs at first.

That augerred baseball by the catcher was just general frustration. He didn't turn to the umpire and do it.

Again, as a friend of mine who works as an MLB Umpire reiterated to me: "Randy, there is no post-game ejection in Major League Baseball, notwithstanding the opinions of some on that forum to which you alluded."

Now, what Gorman did was probably construed as a "post-game ejection," but according to what I was told, no such animal exists in pro ball.

And as some else pointed out, no they can't. I think people are confusing post-game discipline handed out by the league based on an umpire's report or something similar with the NCAA's rules on post-game ejections.

Wow!
 

I am being grouped with Tim C., San Diego Steve, Ozzy, Brian Curtin, RichMSN, MrUmpire, and Bob Jenkins? :eek:

That's quite a compliment. I never thought I would have earned such an honor at this point in my career!

Back to the topic: So the PU handled it poorly? What would you have liked? Toss him after the game (contrary to OBR) for throwing something (also not a rule)? Maybe then he should have told Lou, "game's over, I'm not listening to you, and your catcher is ejected."

Perhaps the catcher saw the safe sign, was ticked that his team lost, and slammed the ball because he was frustrated.

Your rule reference, please.

MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call
Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection. The offender is to be notified that he is being reported for an equipment violation.

Your refutation of his rule reference, please.

Nothing in the rule states it is an automatic ejection, and it even states that the act must be done in disgust of an umpires call and it must be flagrant to be an ejection.... I would hope you would not base the throwing of the ball as your sole proof of either of these stipulations. Even at the collegiate level I would not right paper on this unless he added something like "I honestly think you blew that call Mr. Umpire", and then bounced the ball up my skirt......:D

I'm not refuting the MBUM, I'm refuting cc6. If you read carefully you will see that his original claim was :

"Also, thrown equipment is an automatic ejection in the mlb."


Now then, if yuu read the MLBUM, you'll find:

"MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call,

"Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection."

There is nothing AUTOMATIC about an ejection. The umpire must interpret the action and apply his judgement on an individual basis.

cc6:

You are a college student. Surely you understand the difference between "automatic" and "if flagrant." One requires judgement, the other does not.

An ejection for thrown equipment is not automatic.

Since when is the game ball "equipment"?

Thank you, Happy Easter, and good night Gracie.

I have been wondering the same thing.

But really, would anyone eject a catcher for throwing the ball to the ground, or any fielder for throwing his glove or hat to the ground after a game ending play in which they lost on that play, at any level?

I suppose these same people, if they exist, would eject a batter for pounding the end of his bat in the ground after striking out swinging at a bad pitch, or would eject a pitcher for throwing his glove into the dugout while he is walking into the dugout after being relieved after giving up a game changing home run.

I think the umpire in the video handled everything exactly as I hope I would given the same circumstances.

cc6:

If a baseball were considered equipment and throwing of equipment were an automatic ejection, how on earth would the umpires be able to write all the ejection reports for those hapless pitchers, fielders and catchers who threw that piece of "equipment"?

Please, use some common sense.

Wait a minute! We may be onto something here...just think of how short the games would be if we did use his interpretation!

I was wrong in saying that thrown equipment is an automatic ejection. I meant that thrown equipment to show up an umpire is an automatic ejection. I must have just not been thinking- it's the long weekend. My gaff, my mistake. Sorry for the uproar I caused.

As someone who watches the Brewers (I have a partial-season plan at Miller Park) I didn't even consider ejection/discipline/anything else. It was the end of a game. These are competitors.

I wouldn't even consider it in a HS game. I don't go around looking for garbage.

Even that is not "automatic." Read the MLBUM quote you posted.

Lou got an explanation. Didn't see him arguing.

If you ever need anyone to take some tickets off your hands, let me know.

And this says post-game ejection where, exactly? In MLB, one cannot be ejected after a game has ended.

Exactly: don't be a plumber.

If the ump did anything it would probably be an equipment violation for slamming the ball.

It was a good call and there will probably no argument at the home plate meeting tonite.

Is that a technical foul or is it a flag for Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

Not to mention that the MLBUM says nothing about an ejection being "post game," to which Canada also alluded.