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cc6 Wed Apr 01, 2009 05:28pm

Obvious mudball
 
How do you handle this one?

In plain view of everybody, pitcher reaches down and puts dirt from the mound on his hand, then rubs the ball.

Chris_Hickman Wed Apr 01, 2009 05:35pm

Take that pitcher to your next game and have him rub up your baseballs!!! HA HA. Seriously, what level of ball is this? It really isnt a big deal. If the balls were pearls, then they are going to be a little slick anyway.

cc6 Wed Apr 01, 2009 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman (Post 593394)
Take that pitcher to your next game and have him rub up your baseballs!!! HA HA. Seriously, what level of ball is this? It really isnt a big deal. If the balls were pearls, then they are going to be a little slick anyway.

Adult rec.

Tim C Wed Apr 01, 2009 06:18pm

Unlike Chris:
 
Quote:

"In plain view of everybody, pitcher reaches down and puts dirt from the mound on his hand, then rubs the ball."
We teach for the PU to move quickly to the mound and ask for the ball and then say:

"Hey sorry we didn't get this open rubbed up enough . . . we'll take care of it from now on . . . if a ball comes out that is not rubbed up enough ask me for another . . . by the way, do not grab dirt and rub the ball down yourself . . .OK?"

Seems to work in my neck of the woods.

Regards,

ozzy6900 Wed Apr 01, 2009 06:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593400)
We teach for the PU to move quickly to the mound and ask for the ball and then say:

"Hey sorry we didn't get this open rubbed up enough . . . we'll take care of it from now on . . . if a ball comes out that is not rubbed up enough ask me for another . . . by the way, do not grab dirt and rub the ball down yourself . . .OK?"

Seems to work in my neck of the woods.

Regards,

I follow a similar procedure. You really cannot let pitchers muck up balls, especially in adult leagues.

FTVMartin Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:31pm

Fed 6-2-1d Illegal acts include -- discoloring the ball with dirt.

penalty - The ball is dead The umpire may eject the pitcher.


I wouldn't eject. Just kill the play and get him a new ball.

cc6 Thu Apr 02, 2009 02:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593400)
We teach for the PU to move quickly to the mound and ask for the ball and then say:

"Hey sorry we didn't get this open rubbed up enough . . . we'll take care of it from now on . . . if a ball comes out that is not rubbed up enough ask me for another . . . by the way, do not grab dirt and rub the ball down yourself . . .OK?"

Seems to work in my neck of the woods.

Regards,

Only issue with this is that the PU will look like the aggressor. Maybe this is desirable in a situation such as the one described.

cardinalfan Thu Apr 02, 2009 08:58am

Watching a D1 game last weekend. Same thing happened. PU called time and walked out and switched baseballs. Rolled the old one to the dugout. Told the pitcher why. Resumed position and the game started again. No problem.

Tim C Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:20am

~Sigh~
 
Quote:

"Only issue with this is that the PU will look like the aggressor."
You worry waaaay too much about the way "things look."

Control your game . . . oops, I forgot you work for Baseball Canada where game control is handled by coaches and players (i.e. they have no clue).

Regards,

cc6 Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593587)
Control your game . . . oops, I forgot you work for Baseball Canada where game control is handled by coaches and players (i.e. they have no clue).Regards,

What causes you to say this? I think that coaches calling the shots for who gets to umpire their games and therefore umpires not controlling games is not something unique to Canada.

HokieUmp Thu Apr 02, 2009 01:05pm

well....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 593602)
What causes you to say this? I think that coaches calling the shots for who gets to umpire their games and therefore umpires not controlling games is not something unique to Canada.

I can't speak for the whole country, but in my association, if a coach 'blackballed' an umpire, or tried to, he'd probably see that umpire at his next several games. Home OR Away.

Of course, that's only one association in one part of one state. So in theory, your statement that it's not unique to Canada is probably true. At the same time, it's another indication that the inmates run the asylum there.

MrUmpire Thu Apr 02, 2009 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 593602)
What causes you to say this? I think that coaches calling the shots for who gets to umpire their games and therefore umpires not controlling games is not something unique to Canada.

That is not something that happens on a national level in the US. It would be unique to contries outside of the US.

Unfortunately, it occurs in isolated cases in the US, but it is not common. Even in those cases, usually a coach may black list one or two umpires a season, but he may not dictate which of the others he gets.

Tim C Thu Apr 02, 2009 04:59pm

Ahem,
 
Quote:

" . . . not controlling games is not something unique to Canada. "
Does not happen anywhere is the US where I have worked (but that is only four Western States).

Canada from stories I have been told by other Canadian Umpires the amount of control your coaches have is far greater than anywhere else. And it is even more controlling the closer one gets to Quebec.

I feel sorry you actually.

Regards,

cc6 Thu Apr 02, 2009 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593695)

Does not happen anywhere is the US where I have worked (but that is only four Western States).

Canada from stories I have been told by other Canadian Umpires the amount of control your coaches have is far greater than anywhere else. And it is even more controlling the closer one gets to Quebec.

I feel sorry you actually.

Regards,

You don't need to feel sorry for me. Different places bring different challenges. In Canada we don't have to worry about FED rules.

I had a lot of ejections last year (about 1 every 8 games, over the course of over 100 games). This made many people conclude my game management wasn't very good. Could you elaborate on your statement that the number of ejections has little to no bearing on an umpire's game management abilities?

DG Thu Apr 02, 2009 09:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 593392)
How do you handle this one?

In plain view of everybody, pitcher reaches down and puts dirt from the mound on his hand, then rubs the ball.

Time called. Go toward mound and exchange balls with the pitcher, tell him to not do that anymore, toss the ball to the home team dugout. If they are paying attention they will rub it down and I will get it back later.


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