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Klokard Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:21am

Old style indicator wanted
 
I know this is probably not the proper forum to ask, but I am searching for an old style indicator that only has 3 balls, 2 strikes, and 2 outs. These were made for years by Spalding, Rawlings, etc...They were stainless steel and always said "made in USA." If any of you Arbiters out there have one that you no longer use, give me a shout. Thanks.

jkumpire Fri Mar 27, 2009 09:42am

I have several of the style you are looking for
 
But they do not go 3-2-2. PM me will you?

Four-Oh Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:07pm

Metal 3-2-2 indicator
 
This is the one I use. I don't believe it is American-made, but it seems to fit the style you're talking about (other than also not being an 'antique').

Lesters Upstate Sports :: Baseball & Softball :: Accessories (ball bags, brushes, indicators) :: 3-Ball, 2-Strike, 2-Out Metal Indicator w/Grooved Wheels

The B-S-O wheels are also notched, so that, once you get used to it, you don't have to look at it to track the count (insert 'blind ump' joke here?! :eek:).

Regards,
Andrew

JPaco54 Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:49pm

Stainless Steel Spalding Indicator - 40 years old?
 
I have one but can't part with it since it was my Dad's. He bought it way back in 1968-69. After he retired I kept it stored away for years. I broke it out last year when I started umping, along with his plate brush (now that has some wear on it). Brings back a lot of memories now that he is gone but I am keeping the family tradition going. It is a great indicator, made in the USA and it keeps working. Numbers are being to fade some.

dash_riprock Sat Mar 28, 2009 05:52am

Champion makes indicators (plastic) that go up to 3 balls, 2 strikes and 2 outs. You can get them here:

The Sports Loft / Officiating Uniforms / Chuck DeCarbo / Baseball / Softball

I am sure the oversize fits your bill, not sure about the smaller 3-wheel. The metal one and the 4-wheel (ugh) both go to 3,4 and 3.

IowaMike Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:25pm

I always wondered why they make indicators that go to three strikes and four balls. Stupid. I had one I bought at Honigs that was two strike three ball. I sold all of my equipment three years ago, but am going to get back into umpiring again and am buying the same equipment back from the guy I sold it to. I hope he still has that old indicator.

DonInKansas Sat Mar 28, 2009 02:00pm

I didn't know Old Style made indicators. :D
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...r/OldStyle.jpg

Kevin Finnerty Sat Mar 28, 2009 07:39pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 592101)
Champion makes indicators (plastic) that go up to 3 balls, 2 strikes and 2 outs. You can get them here:

The Sports Loft / Officiating Uniforms / Chuck DeCarbo / Baseball / Softball

I am sure the oversize fits your bill, not sure about the smaller 3-wheel. The metal one and the 4-wheel (ugh) both go to 3,4 and 3.

You can get them here, at the umpiring gear world's second-worst web site. They are just mailing it in. Why even have a site?

Kevin Finnerty Sat Mar 28, 2009 07:40pm

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Originally Posted by IowaMike (Post 592137)
I always wondered why they make indicators that go to three strikes and four balls. Stupid. I had one I bought at Honigs that was two strike three ball. I sold all of my equipment three years ago, but am going to get back into umpiring again and am buying the same equipment back from the guy I sold it to. I hope he still has that old indicator.

That's one of the coolest gear stories I've ever heard.

SethPDX Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 592216)
You can get them here, at the umpiring gear world's second-worst web site. They are just mailing it in. Why even have a site?

Who's #1? ;)

Could it be the one that keeps sending me e-mails about their next huge sale, then only having sizes like 3 and 4XL in stock? This is also the place whose owner told me after I placed my (only) order, "I want to change umpire uniforms one person at a time and take on the major suppliers with my revolutionary shirts," or something like that. :D

Kevin Finnerty Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:05am

There you go ... :D

IowaMike Sun Mar 29, 2009 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 592217)
That's one of the coolest gear stories I've ever heard.

It's definitely saving me some money. I've continued to do basketball over the years, but gave up baseball because I always had kids playing. Well, son number three is finishing up his last high school season this year and son number four, who is 11, has decided that he doesn't want to play baseball anymore and just stick to basketball and football. I always enjoyed officiating basketball more than baseball, but baseball is my favorite sport. So I will try to pick up a few games where I can this summer then do a full schedule next year to stay connected to the game in some way. I actually coached a freshman hs team the last two years but just don't have the time to do it anymore so I had to step down this year. It just so happened that the guy I sold the gear to is working 2nd shift now and can't umpire anymore. I'm getting a couple of shirts, ball bags, indicator, brush, huge gear bag, my old umpshins, mask and K1 chest protector for $200. I sold most all of those items to him for $300 three seasons ago. Not a bad deal. I went ahead and ordered some pants, plate shoes, hats and another shirt from Honigs today. Now I just need to pick up a few games around my kids high school schedule, which doesn't start until late May here in Iowa.

bluezebra Sun Mar 29, 2009 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by IowaMike (Post 592137)
I always wondered why they make indicators that go to three strikes and four balls. Stupid. I had one I bought at Honigs that was two strike three ball. I sold all of my equipment three years ago, but am going to get back into umpiring again and am buying the same equipment back from the guy I sold it to. I hope he still has that old indicator.

You're working alone. One out, 3-2 count, runners at 2B & 1B. Strike three to batter as runners are going with the pitch. F2 throws ball into LF trying to nab runner. Lead runner comes home, second runner goes to 3B. F7 throws wild to 3B, allowing second runner to score. When the dust clears, batter is standing on 1B. With all the action, you forgot whether you called ball four or strike three. What do you do? With an indicator registering four balls and three strikes, you check to see that the batter was out on strikes, and is removed from 1B.

THAT'S why a four ball, three strike indicator makes sense.

Bob

Ump153 Sun Mar 29, 2009 05:36pm

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Originally Posted by bluezebra (Post 592358)
You're working alone. One out, 3-2 count, runners at 2B & 1B. Strike three to batter as runners are going with the pitch. F2 throws ball into LF trying to nab runner. Lead runner comes home, second runner goes to 3B. F7 throws wild to 3B, allowing second runner to score. When the dust clears, batter is standing on 1B. With all the action, you forgot whether you called ball four or strike three. What do you do? With an indicator registering four balls and three strikes, you check to see that the batter was out on strikes, and is removed from 1B.

THAT'S why a four ball, three strike indicator makes sense.

Bob

As I heard Jim Evans ask at a clinic in Seattle a few years ago, was this during a day game or night game?

Klokard Sun Mar 29, 2009 07:18pm

Many great stories here. Really. But can I assume NO ONE has an indicator they want to sell as I originally posted? Oh well. Ump 154 if in the situation you describe and you looked down and saw that you zeroed out the strikes, wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

dash_riprock Sun Mar 29, 2009 08:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 592216)
You can get them here, at the umpiring gear world's second-worst web site. They are just mailing it in. Why even have a site?

I've received lousy service from companies with great websites.

IowaMike Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klokard (Post 592402)
Many great stories here. Really. But can I assume NO ONE has an indicator they want to sell as I originally posted? Oh well. Ump 154 if in the situation you describe and you looked down and saw that you zeroed out the strikes, wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

That was my thinking too. I don't have one to sell you, but I think Honigs still has them. I ordered some other items there today.

MrUmpire Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by Klokard (Post 592402)
Many great stories here. Really. But can I assume NO ONE has an indicator they want to sell as I originally posted? Oh well. Ump 154 if in the situation you describe and you looked down and saw that you zeroed out the strikes, wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

It was Bluezebra with the great story. But, yes, you are correct, the 3-2 indicator does the job even in that situation.

LDUB Mon Mar 30, 2009 04:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra (Post 592358)
You're working alone. One out, 3-2 count, runners at 2B & 1B. Strike three to batter as runners are going with the pitch. F2 throws ball into LF trying to nab runner. Lead runner comes home, second runner goes to 3B. F7 throws wild to 3B, allowing second runner to score. When the dust clears, batter is standing on 1B. With all the action, you forgot whether you called ball four or strike three. What do you do? With an indicator registering four balls and three strikes, you check to see that the batter was out on strikes, and is removed from 1B.

Never happen. BATTER RUNNER is a term that identifies the offensive player...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluezebra (Post 591715)
"I'm coaching a 12U rec team playing under USSSA. Our pitcher threw a pitch that the BR swung at and missed for strike 3."

Never happen. BATTER RUNNER is a term that identifies the offensive player who has just finished his time at bat until he is put out or until the play on which he became a runner ends.

Bob


SanDiegoSteve Tue Mar 31, 2009 04:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 592251)
Who's #1? ;)

Could it be the one that keeps sending me e-mails about their next huge sale, then only having sizes like 3 and 4XL in stock? This is also the place whose owner told me after I placed my (only) order, "I want to change umpire uniforms one person at a time and take on the major suppliers with my revolutionary shirts," or something like that. :D

Oh, you mean Officials Have No Choice.:rolleyes:

Klokard Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:23am

OK, I'll bump this one last time to see if anyone has an old style indicator for me? No more war stories. I just want a simple Rawlings or Spalding stainless steel indicator with 2 strikes, 3 balls, and 2 outs. Anyone?????

Klokard Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:24am

How about if I give in return 2 of the same type indicators with 3 strikes, 4 balls, and 3 outs indicators. Already notched and ready to be placed into service.


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