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umpjim Wed Oct 29, 2008 09:03pm

Who rang up the check swing?
 
WS bottom 9th. Lefty at plate. I thought I saw PU go to 1B for checked swing appeal. I gotta be wrong? Right?

BretMan Wed Oct 29, 2008 09:08pm

Looked to me like the plate umpire rang him up. He pointed at the batter, as in indicating a swing, then signaled the strike.

JRutledge Wed Oct 29, 2008 09:14pm

You got this wrong. He pointed at the batter to signify he had a swing. He never asked for help. That is a common mechanic used by umpires working the plate.

Peace

umpjim Wed Oct 29, 2008 09:16pm

Yes, I got to a dvr and you can hear the PU say yes as he points to the batter. I knew I had to be wrong.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:33pm

And if it's okay with management, I thought that he checked his swing pretty well on that pitch.

Matt Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 547028)
And if it's okay with management, I thought that he checked his swing pretty well on that pitch.

I thought the same in real time, but I don't after seeing a replay. It looked as if the bat was still moving forward as the ball reached the plate, which constitutes an attempt to me.

MrUmpire Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:55pm

It was the only check swing call I can remember that FOX did not show a replay from the side...only two front angles.

MrUmpire Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 546998)
WS bottom 9th. Lefty at plate. I thought I saw PU go to 1B for checked swing appeal. I gotta be wrong? Right?

You may have gotten that impression because the PU pointed with his left hand instead of his "slot hand" as is currently being taught.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Oct 30, 2008 01:36am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 547037)
You may have gotten that impression because the PU pointed with his left hand instead of his "slot hand" as is currently being taught.

I was always taught to point with the "slot hand" or hand closest to the batter, as it were. It requires no excess arm action that could be misconstrued as a different signal, such as asking for help or awarding a base. It looks really sharp, too.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Oct 30, 2008 01:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 547034)
I thought the same in real time, but I don't after seeing a replay. It looked as if the bat was still moving forward as the ball reached the plate, which constitutes an attempt to me.

I've seen a lot less swing called strike and a lot more swing called ball. It's a judgment call and must be made right away. Kellogg said he went, so he went.

LMan Thu Oct 30, 2008 08:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 547036)
It was the only check swing call I can remember that FOX did not show a replay from the side...only two front angles.


I knew Fox had to be in on it.

Kevin Finnerty Thu Oct 30, 2008 09:58am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 547028)
And if it's okay with management, I thought that he checked his swing pretty well on that pitch.

Be careful now. Sure, it's a truthful observation, but it's critical of an umpire.

Emperor Ump Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:11pm

I was taught to always do your pointing with your left hand on an appeal of a check swing or pointing at the batter and saying "yes he did" because it removes all ambiguity of calling a strike.

justanotherblue Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:36pm

It's currently being taught that you point with the slot hand, with a firm voice mechanic..yes he did.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Oct 30, 2008 03:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Ump (Post 547199)
I was taught to always do your pointing with your left hand on an appeal of a check swing or pointing at the batter and saying "yes he did" because it removes all ambiguity of calling a strike.

I agree about the check swing appeal with the left hand, but why would it matter if someone thought you were calling a strike when you point at the batter and say "yes he did?" You are calling a strike, and if you point right at the batter when you say it, followed by your strike signal, there should be no ambiguity at all.


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