That was a tough call
 

Top 7 WS, ball down the line, Moyers does a great shovel from the glove to 1B who barehands it. Baserunner is too quick and is called safe on the play. Replay to me shows runner was out and ump was moving when he called it. I don't know what angle would have helped but I would have been busting to 90 to the throw and I would try to be stopped on the call. I suspect even with me busting (not that fast) I would still not have the angle and the throw going to the hand instead of the glove would have made it a guess.

2SF would've been a much better location.

Football guy here but I umpired softball while in college. One thing I recall was a lot of this kind of play relies on sound (glove-bag or bag-glove). Is that an actual mechanic you baseball guys use or was that a lazy mechanic taught to a rec-league softball guy? If that is the right mechanic, did this because a harder call because the "throw" was so short and barehanded by the 1st baseman? There was likely no sound of the catch.

i'm taking the bait. Where's 2FS?

Rich is right, especially at this level with a really fast runner. The play happens much faster at this level to start with, and with a speedy runner, it just makes it impossible to get to 90 degrees and still get set. That's why the umpire missed the call. He couldn't get set and see it right. Two steps fair gives you a really good look at the foot and the glove at the same time, and gives you a set, solid look at the play.

Two steps fair.

Listening for the pop of the glove is great when you are set for the play and the play is routine. Plays like this one you certainly can't depend on sound. You have to get set far enough from the play to see the runner's foot, and F3 catching the ball at the same time.

Thanks guys, I reversed 2SF to 2FS so it didn't make sense to me. That location might work and I've never used it at my level but I can see why it may be the preferred mechanic at the college level. Still, this one was sight over sound. Good luck.

Didn't cost my Phillies the game, anyway. 5-4, Phils, Game 4 tomorrow.

I think Culbreth's strike zone was outstanding tonight.

Fanboy...:D

It cost Jamie the win.

Rita

And his sidekick, Fangirl.


GO RAYS :)

I did not see the play so I don't know what angle U1 had but I agree with SDS - distance away from the play is key. Because of the lack of sound, you're best bet is to swing all the away around into the baseline between first and second and get a "track meet" finish line angle of the play. If U1 wasn't set for the play, I would assume he attempted to get to this angle but just didn't get there fast enough.

I had just given a 20-minute clinic to a team on the strike zone yesterday morning. (As we all know, many players get all the way to college without knowing what the strike zone really is and how it can sometimes be interpreted.) So after spelling it all out to a bunch of wide-eyed players, then we have Fieldin Culbreth behind the plate with all of those cameras and K-zones, and any of those players who watched that game got a GREAT course on ...1) how a pitcher's umpire's strike zone works, and 2) how a great off-speed pitcher plays around with a pitcher's umpire masterfully.

What a GREAT lesson that game was!

The umpire was busting to get to the 90, he was about 80 when he is coming to stop. Watch the replay and you will see his eyes bearing down on the bag, and the ball was caught bare handed. From where he was he could not see the catch.

2 steps fair would have been much better spot to call, and 2 steps foul would have been even better. But how was he suppposed to know the throw was going to the bare hand side?

When I first saw the play, I thought that same thing. Oddly, two steps foul would have likely given him a better shot at seeing the catch, but how do you know?

I was rooting for Jamie because I have always liked him. He is a gentleman of the first order. I wanted him to hold the record for being the oldest pitcher to have a win in the World Series. So I was disappointed that he didn't get it.

Other than that I'm enjoying having two teams in the series who either haven't been there or haven't been there in a while.

Rita

I was just kidding. I too am enjoying the matchup.

Moyer was one of my favorite Mariners--a great pitcher and a class act like Rita said. I'd have to say he and Dobbs are in a better place now...;)

Moyer is a gamer
 

Kudos to Jamie on a great play. You would have to be where the camera was on that play to see that the runner was out..Bang Bang play is soooo tough when you don't have the "pop" of the glove..

Game 4, bottom of first
 

Tag at 3rd is missed - 3U calls safe when runner is clearly out.

Terrible call in the World Series. Classic case when instant replay is needed.

Missed another one . Clearly tagged him right on the azz. NO excuse for missing that one.:mad:

Yeah. Tough going for this crew.

That play never should have been that close, nor should have it happened to begin with. Then the pitcher walks in a run.

And I wouldn't not say he "clearly" tagged him. Yeah, on the 3rd replay with a zoom in shot you could see it. If I were a Rays fan I'd be more pissed that the ball didn't go to second, and a rundown was completely f'd up to begin with.

Oh really? How about live from 3 feet away? No way in hell he shouldn't see that.

Terrible call in the World Series. Classic case when instant replay is needed.[/QUOTE]

Stick to basketball...please....

griff

Learn how to quote properly.

I quoted what was important....you calling for a replay. Where does it stop?

Next you'll want replay on a checked swing......Hit by pitch...tiny hitch in a stretch.....first basemans foot in foul territory....

Where does it stop? You tell me...

griff

Uh..........no.
 

Ties for dumbest post on Internet.

:d

Yeah, with some inane post about Ed Hochuli on the football boards.

Except that my inane post was accurate. Hochuli needs to work more on his officiating skills and less on his biceps. It was a horrible call, and if I see a baseball umpire make a horrible call, I mention that as well. You people that blindly stick up for every single official crack me up. That was the absolute worst call I've ever seen, and that includes the ones from yesterday's horrible officating in London.

SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTENING BOLT!

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Nah, don't soft-sell what you said. You made said more than that and it read to be pretty idiotic. It had nothing to do with analyzing officiating and everything to do with being a disgruntled fan boy. And now the officiating in London was horrible also. You're pretty objective there fella.

That has to be a rug...

Looks like he combed his hair with a towel.

Ed H is a known acquaintance of the owners of the site and is a class act. He has worked very hard to get where he is and deserves every thing he has earned. One mistake, no matter how large, does not ruin a lifetime of work in this business. Grow up and find some class.

It was a horrible call. We get that and so does he. Get over it.

SDS your broad characterization of your officiating brethren is appalling. If you want to bash officials, go somewhere else and do it because it is not welcome here.

Discuss calls, philosophy, etc. But this is not a place to openly criticize our own especially by name and even more so from someone who has not even come close to walking in his shoes.

I will only say this once.

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