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johnSandlin Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:38am

Did he balk?
 
Did anyone see Cole Hamels pick off move last night?

Did he balk?

I thought the umpires were in no win situation. I they toast if they called a balk and toast of they did not call a balk.

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:41am

If they called a balk it looked as though he failed to step...in other words, he didn't gain distance and direction on his throw over there. I think he got away with one there...and it was huge.

Kevin Finnerty Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:43am

I hate balks and I hate to call balks and that was a balk.

Emperor Ump Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:36pm

I disagree. I do not believe it was a balk.

From the above and the behind replays you can see he is gaining distance to 1st base. Albeit more to the 45' mark, he gained more distance to first than to home (there was very little gained either direction, but more is more). Great no call.

This was a good, legal move, Pena just broke too early and gave the Phillies the opportunity to get him. You will see this move at the HS level too.

umpjayfire Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:39pm

i have him getting D and D...no balk ....good no call

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 23, 2008 01:12pm

does his free foot come down in the same place it started? that's part of the test too isn't it?

mbyron Thu Oct 23, 2008 01:19pm

It was too close to the 45 for me to rule that he did not gain distance and direction. Close play.

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 23, 2008 01:40pm

tough call for sure...i suppose that's why they get paid the big bucks.

on another note, was Madden arguing w/ the PU? Shoudn't he be talking w/ the 1Bu? or was PU the crew chief?

johnSandlin Thu Oct 23, 2008 02:06pm

PU was the crew chief.

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 23, 2008 02:09pm

which might explain why Madden went to the PU and not 1BU

scarolinablue Thu Oct 23, 2008 03:50pm

I haven't seen a good replay yet (missed that segment of the game last night), but from what I've seen, a good no-call (based on the video at mlb.com). Close, but looked like some distance and direction - albeit close to the 45° line.

OzUmp Thu Oct 23, 2008 04:29pm

I got a balk here. You should not only consider his foot. his upper body was certainly going home (albeuit slightly) before he changed his mind and picked off to 1st. It was not huge but it was a balk. I can't remember the last time I saw a big league coach come out and discuss a possible balk. Madden would not have come out if there was not something to it. He certainly had a better angle than Welke. Danley should have made the call but we know they just don't call balks in the bigs. Danley can be forgiven. when you only see a balk once in a blue moon you can be forgiven for not recognizing one when it does happen.

johnnyg08 Thu Oct 23, 2008 04:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 545209)
I haven't seen a good replay yet (missed that segment of the game last night), but from what I've seen, a good no-call (based on the video at mlb.com). Close, but looked like some distance and direction - albeit close to the 45° line.

45 degree is only a guideline though right? it's not written anywhere in the rulebook right?

SethPDX Thu Oct 23, 2008 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 545229)
45 degree is only a guideline though right? it's not written anywhere in the rulebook right?

No, there is no OBR reference to any number of degrees or imaginary line, etc. Umpires will use it as a guideline to determine if the pitcher stepped toward the base before throwing there.

JR12 Thu Oct 23, 2008 08:25pm

I like how you could clearly hear the manager sayin "come on Timmy, thats a balk, Bull $h1t!!! Then suddenly that mic was shut off.


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