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umpjim Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:31pm

what are they wearing?
 
Game six ALCS. PU takes a shot off mask to collarbone. I'm thinking my chest protector would get it but it might sting. TV doesn't make it clear but the crewchief has got the PU by the arm and walking him off the field. Did I miss something where the PU showed he was in bad shape. Game seven, I'm looking at what PU has got under his shirt. It looked pretty light which might be good if it was expensive but if it's the same thing as what the game six guy had I'm not buying it. No, I'm not good enough to call behind MLB, MILB catchers.

kylejt Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:13am

I think the shot off the mask was the nasty part of the blow. It looked like a Schutt ComfortLite Mask, which I use. They are really light, but the padding, IMO, is too thin. After watching that, and having bouts with concussion myself, I'm swapping out pads before my next plate appearance. Light is nice, but not if it scrambles your brain. I hope he's okay.

A Gold, or Platinum will deny most collarbone shots, but it's possible to sneak a ball in between the mask and protector and get bone.

MrUmpire Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:17am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 544050)
I think the shot off the mask was the nasty part of the blow. It looked like a Schutt ComfortLite Mask, which I use. They are really light, but the padding, IMO, is too thin.

Is the Schutt a low profile mask?

bobbybanaduck Mon Oct 20, 2008 01:29am

The mask likely wasn't the issue, it was probably the CP. I was out with the crew after game 3 and DC told me that he still uses an old school ribbed style S.O.S. that isn't even made anymore. He was aware of the new technology, but liked his old CP. It's tough to teach an old dog new tricks, but it just may be time for an upgrade...

waltjp Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:04am

Bobby, do you know how many MLB umps are still wearing the old, ribbed style protector?

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:32am

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Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck (Post 544056)
The mask likely wasn't the issue, it was probably the CP. I was out with the crew after game 3 and DC told me that he still uses an old school ribbed style S.O.S. that isn't even made anymore. He was aware of the new technology, but liked his old CP. It's tough to teach an old dog new tricks, but it just may be time for an upgrade...

First of all, he took two nearly identical shots in that game. But the second one looked like it smashed the lower part of the mask into the bone.

Get a Platinum!

Pensaump Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:34am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 544051)
Is the Schutt a low profile mask?


:rolleyes:

kylejt Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:38am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 544051)
Is the Schutt a low profile mask?

It's flatter than my Honig's, but not as flat is a New View.

That shot was right on the jaw, so the profile wasn't an issue here. The padding on the Schutt is very thin.

If DC is wearing an old ribbed protector, that's just crazy. It's true that MLB guys get hit less, but it's just a matter of time.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:05am

When I was going to college in the late-70s, I worked at a sports bar near LAX. Cousins, who was then a rookie umpire working as a replacement, was one of my customers. I loved some of his fascinating stories about umpiring in the big leagues. It's part of what got me interested in that part of the game. I played and then coached, but I turned to umpiring too, because of how interesting he made it sound. I look at him now as one of the aging veterans, and it makes me feel pretty old. ;) I'm glad he eventually earned everyone's respect, because he is a good man.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:09am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 544117)
The padding on the Schutt is very thin.

Those wrap-around Wilsons are the ones. Have you tried them? Would they fit? It's a different shot altogether with the Wilson wrap-around deerskin type pads. Very comfortable, too. (It takes an adjustment at first because they seem confining, but then, they're very comfortable.) Oh, and the deerskins are not as hot as the black ones on really hot days.

gordon30307 Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:22am

Maybe I've just been lucky but I've had hits where:

The mask gets bent.
Twisted around.
Almost knocked off.
Catcher has missed the ball completely and hits me square.

All in all some really nasty shots over the years. I only do games (99.9%) on the big field.

I use a Gerry Davis mask.

I haven't come close to getting my bell rung. Maybe I can take a "punch" or I'm a cement head as per my wife.

I sometimes wonder if the concussions occur because the mask isn't adjusted properly.

Incidentally I saw the hit and it went off the catcher and caught the PU square in the mask. I don't think it hit his collar bone.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29am

He got two shots and as we all know, a second shot on the same bone as the first one and you're ready to leave the ground and not land. And if he took two shots on the clavicle with a ribbed protector, then I can easily understand it. Also, that part of the mask gives you a pretty good jaw shot, which is always a pretty good bell ringer.

And your mask should be so loose that it spins or completely comes off on any indirect shot. You only want to absorb the direct ones.

gordon30307 Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 544140)
He got two shots and as we all know, a second shot on the same bone as the first one and you're ready to leave the ground and not land. And if he took two shots on the clavicle with a ribbed protector, then I can easily understand it. Also, that part of the mask gives you a pretty good jaw shot, which is always a pretty good bell ringer.

And your mask should be so loose that it spins or completely comes off on any indirect shot. You only want to absorb the direct ones.

If he got hit in the collar bone he needs to either adjust his protector or buy a new one. If he was using the ribbed one then as they say "you get what you paid for."

IMO if your mask is loose a direct hit will get you twice first the ball and then the mask.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 02:21pm

Ahem ...


A large percentage of umpires would disagree with wearing it tightly.

gordon30307 Mon Oct 20, 2008 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 544196)
Ahem ...


A large percentage of umpires would disagree with wearing it tightly.

I wear it so it stays in place. So it fits. So when I take it off my hat doesn't come off as well....... Like I said I've taken some nasty shots never had a problem.

PeteBooth Mon Oct 20, 2008 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 544045)
Game six ALCS. PU takes a shot off mask to collarbone. I'm thinking my chest protector would get it but it might sting. TV doesn't make it clear but the crewchief has got the PU by the arm and walking him off the field. Did I miss something where the PU showed he was in bad shape. Game seven, I'm looking at what PU has got under his shirt. It looked pretty light which might be good if it was expensive but if it's the same thing as what the game six guy had I'm not buying it. No, I'm not good enough to call behind MLB, MILB catchers.


Time to go back to the balloon.

Pete Booth

Kevin Finnerty Mon Oct 20, 2008 03:22pm

That's cool ...to each his own. I take a good punch, too, but if I wear the mask so that it just lays there, it softened a lot of blows since I started wearing it that way. Super lightweight mask worn loosely, that's what the masters say, so that's what I do, and it really works.

MrUmpire Mon Oct 20, 2008 03:56pm

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Originally Posted by Pensaump (Post 544114)
:rolleyes:


I happen to be looking for a new mask and I am gathering as much information as I can find on each mask. Do you have a problem with that?

SAump Mon Oct 20, 2008 06:45pm

I saw the 1st one.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

How does one suffer a bruised collarbone from a shot to the mask?

kylejt Mon Oct 20, 2008 07:53pm

It hit the mask on the jawline, and careened down to his collarbone. Pretty violent.

Rita C Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by gordon30307 (Post 544152)

IMO if your mask is loose a direct hit will get you twice first the ball and then the mask.

Loose doesn't mean it isn't in contact with your face. What it means is that if it takes a side blow it moves instead of your head.

I had one ball come off a bat this year that took my mask off so cleanly I didn't feel a thing. If it had been tight, I would have.

Rita

kylejt Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:30am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 544135)
Those wrap-around Wilsons are the ones. Have you tried them? Would they fit?

I'm sure they'd fit, but I just don't like the way they feel. It seemed like I was looking through two throw pillows. Perhaps I'll revisit them, after watching that shot.

Paul L Tue Oct 21, 2008 02:15pm

Link to MLB.com video
 
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