Chris Guccione Ejection....
 

I just had a chance to check this out from the weekend...any comments on this?

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/media/...00807203165915

Not sure what the pitcher did to piss off HPU, but Cox came out to argue ball and strikes and I have seen 2 or 3 other managers in recent weeks get tossed for the same. I would have liked to seen what led up to this.
I find it funny how biased the commentators are. Did they mention what managers lead the league in getting ejected? I'm sure Bobby is near the top.

Bobby's tops with six, Cecil Cooper and Ron Gardenhire have 4 each.

Why do rats have to be so god dam stupid? What were the commentators complaining about anyways? There was nothing wrong with that ejection, and the pitch was a little bit low.

"HP Umpire Chris Guccione ejected Braves Manager Bobby Cox for arguing a ball four call in the top of the 3rd inning of the Nationals-Braves game. With two out and three on, Nationals center fielder Willie Harris took a 3-1 fastball from Braves pitcher Buddy Carlyle for a called fourth ball, resulting in a walk that forced in a run. After Harris left for first base, Cox exited the dugout, resulting in a warning from Guccione, and as Cox continued walking toward home plate, he was ejected. Replays show the 3-1 pitch was located just above the knee in height, but slightly off the plate and inside, the call was correct."

This is Chris Guccione (68)'s second ejection of 2008.

This is the 127th ejection of 2008.

This is the 62nd manager ejection of 2008.

This is Cox's sixth ejection of 2008, giving him sole possession of the lead in managerial ejections (Cooper [HOU], Gardenhire [MIN] have four ejections each).

Disclaimer: I am a Braves fan.

I watched this game from the 2nd inning until the end. There had been a couple of very close pitches earlier in the game that went against us. One was a very borderline called third strike that ended an inning when we had the bases loaded. When this pitch was not called, Buddy Carlyle (our pitcher) was upset, but he turned around to keep from saying something that he would regret.

Instead of doing like Carlyle and trying to avoid a problem, Gucionne came out and started yelling at Carlyle. When that happened, Cox came out and was immediately tossed. I know that his ejection was automatic since he was arguing balls/strikes. However, it seemed to me that Guccione instigated this. Had he done as Carlyle did and backed off, this likely would not have happened. And, of course I can't read the minds of the other three umpires, but their lack of intervention seemed to tell me that they weren't too happy with Guccione. How many times do you see that kind of rhubarb and no intervention from the other umps?

As for Cox spraying him, I found this article with Jerry Crawford telling a story about a time that Cox accidentally sprayed him. This probably was the case here too. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=2903669

in order from top to bottom of your post...

"us?" what position do you play?

he turned around, but i guarantee you he said something that brought gooch out at him.

see above statement. just because you turn around after or while you b1tch about a call doesn't mean you are going to get away with it.

and, finally, to the largest of the emboldened from your post... EVERY TIME. the only time the other umpires get involved is if it is more than 1 on 1, if the situtation gets violent, or if it has gone on ridiculously long (which can is marked by the umpire involved walking away.) if none of those criteria are met, no other umpires will intervene.

The pitch looked low to me, and the catcher pulled the pitch. Looks like a ball to me. EJ of Cox was automatic if he was arguing balls/strikes.

What you don't see in the video is the gestures and comments by Carlyle or the whining from the dugout by Cox earlier in the game. An umpire at that level is only going to take so much before he barks back or ejects.

The Braves are a whiny bunch. led by every umpires best friend (Cox). It's been that way for years and will continue until Bobby retires.

It was only Guccione's second ejection of the year. It's not like he's out there trying to fill a quota or anything.

Cox, on the other hand, is a classless, jerk who has a disdain for umpires and their authority going all the way back to when he played ball.

I'll go with Guccione on this one just on principle.

I agree 100%. The auto ejection is by the book.

in order from top to bottom of your post...

"us?" what position do you play?

My disclaimer at the top of my post indicated that I was a Braves fan. I posted that for purposes of full disclosure. Knowing that, I'm sure this was a sarcastic question.

he turned around, but i guarantee you he said something that brought gooch out at him.

see above statement. just because you turn around after or while you b1tch about a call doesn't mean you are going to get away with it.

Yes, he may very well have said something to Gooch. And, if he said something personal to Gooch, he was out of line. As msavakinas said below me, it looked bad. And, that's all that we as spectators have to go by.

so, by your own admission, all you have to go by is what you see, which does not encompass all that goes on on the field. that being said, you are going off half-cocked and blasting an umpire for his demeanor and handling of a situation that you are only part aware of. makes sense. fanboy. <----note sarcastic comment.

note NON-sarcastic comment. -------> i thought it looked awesome.

It was only Guccione's second ejection of the year. It's not like he's out there trying to fill a quota or anything.

True. Joe Simpson, the commentator, overreacted with his comments about that.

Cox, on the other hand, is a classless, wife-beating jerk who has a disdain for umpires and their authority going all the way back to when he played ball.

Being that you're a former pro umpire, you may have some inside info that I don't know. But, take a look at the quotes in these two articles from Richie Garcia, Ron Kulpa, and Jim McKeon. And, you'll find a very different view of Cox http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...jections_N.htm
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...4706272090.txt

uhh, no. The poster you quoted is Sandiegosteve and he is not a former pro umpire.

A current MLB arbiter told me this about a current MLB manager (not Mr. Cox). I paraphrase.

"Sometimes, he'll start the chirping--loud--in the first inning. By the time we get to six or seven, and skip finally comes out of the dugout, you're so sick of him that you toss him."

The media can't hear what comes from the dugout. IMHO, this is what precedes many EJs.

When's the last time you saw an EJ on tv and heard an announcer say, "Well, Joey Bagodunts has been ejected, and he probably deserved it."

Harummph.

Ace

Sorry, got he and bobbybanaduck mixed up.

Say what you want about Cox, but he's gotten results and he always has backed his players.

Glavine, Maddox, Smoltz, Chipper, the lists goes on and on of players who stand by him as one of the best of all time.

If he had a problem with Cox chirping from the dugout, take it out on Cox, but the video clearly shows the player did not show him up by his actions.

But, as you stated, Cox leads the majors I believe in ejections so he does have a reputation. But, for him to stay out that long tells me that there was something going on ... he usually is ejected and then leaves.

Thanks
David

How about the lack of audio? So if he yelled "F*** you" into his shirt he shouldn't get a response cause nobody can see it?

Cox, these days, can't take one step out of a dugout without getting run. As it should be - his reputation precedes him.

I"M NOT???????:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:



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I think the ejection was warranted if Bobby truly was arguing balls and strikes. If Bobby was coming out to see what kind of beef Guccione had with Carlyle, that was a mighty quick hook. I'm a Braves fan, and judging by Bobby's motions and gestures during the argument, that the strike zone topic didn't come up until well after he had been ejected. Bobby is a manager who will fight for his players. I think thats what was happening. He saw an umpire go after his player, and he wanted to know why.
Was it a good call?
I'm not one to make that determination.
As an umpire, I'm not going to say whether or not I would have ejected him because none of us really can tell without actually being in the situation at that moment.

After 141 ejections, he gets what he has coming to him.

Bobby was warned not to come out. He came out. He was ejected.

That's not quick, that's efficient.

Noted.

I've seen that pitch called a strike more than I've seen it called a ball in MLB...so he missed a pitch...Cox's reputation is something that he's earned...the announcer is a moron. Guarantee he chirps at his son's little league umpire too...because "ties go to the runner"

Once again, another manager ejected for no reason. those announcers blow

Guccione and Runge both issued warnings in a traditional manner that Rats understand. No problem there. Runge was fine until the bump.

Would you prefer Guccione have a quick finger on Carlysle?

Fight back with equal force, maybe even a notch below, approach?

Am I judoing now?

Bobby Cox has been suspended one game for his conduct during this ejection.

On a side note, one of Cox's ejections (6-6-08) was an "unofficial" ejection, as it occurred after the final out was recorded (since we were on that subject of post-game ejections):

"HP Umpire Alfonso Marquez unofficially ejected Braves Manager Bobby Cox, Third Base Coach Brian Snitker, First Base Coach Glenn Hubbard, and outielder Matt Diaz for arguing a game-ending out call in the bottom of the 10th inning of the Phillies-Braves game. With two out and two on, Braves shortstop Yunel Escobar hit an 0-1 slider from Phillies pitcher Brad Lidge to center field. Braves left-right fielder Josh Anderson scored, and center fielder Gregor Blanco rounded third as Phillies center fielder Shane Victorino fielded the ball to throw home. Blanco arrived at home plate just as Phillies catcher Chris Coste applied the tag, Marquez ruled Blanco out, as the third out, ending the game with a 4-3 final score. After the play, an argument over the call became heated, resulting in the unofficial ejection of Cox, Snitker, Hubbard, and Diaz. Replays show the tag was applied before Blanco touched home plate, the call was correct. At the time of the unofficial ejections, the Phillies had already won the contest, 4-3."

These are Alfonso Marquez (72)'s first, second, third, and fourth unofficial ejections 2008.

Guccione has over ten years experience at the MLB level. I trust that he had reason to decide to handle it as he did. So, far, MLB seems to agree. I see no reason to second guess him or them.

Perhaps your many years of calling ball at that level and dealing with MLB players gives you an advantage not available to the rest of us.

I'm sure he's addressing the "can a coach be ejected after a legion game?" thread.

Much better.

There's a world of difference between stating what you don't know for fact,as a fact; and stating it as an opinion. Neither of us knows for certain what F1 said or did. With the way I read it, I think Guccione handled it properly. You read it differently. You're entitle to your opinion, but you are not entitled to state your opinion as fact.

Now if you could just over yourself enough to allow Steve to post what he'd like, you'll be making real progress.

C'mon guys! Can't we all just get along?

Take a deep breath, and chant "Ohmmmmmm!"

See, doesn't that clear your mind and relieve your stress?

Hey, how 'bout those Red Sox? :D:D

Hey, I love the Red Sox, but for the purposes of this discussion....

EFF YOUR RED SOX!!!:D :D :p

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