lightning

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I had a game where we were in the bottom of the last inning, with runners on base and the home team trailing by a bit. A couple streaks of lightning went off in centre field, but I let the game continue and the game was finished after a couple more minutes. Should I have called everyone off the field immediately after seeing the lightning?

How many times have we been through this? It is bad enough to let the game continue when you hear thunder clap after thunder clap (lightning causes thunder, remember?) but you saw the lightning and didn't stop the game?

[danreeves1973]

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...ng_safety.html

Texas UIL policy for all outdoor sports is the thirty second rule on flash to bang. Most local leagues I know off use a similar rule and no lightning seen for 30 minutes minimum before restarting.

Lightning is something I would never mess with. There was a situation in Grapeland, TX in 2004 where an entire football team, 40+ people, was hit by one strike, one player killed. Everything I've ever read about the case indicated there was no previous lightning seen by anyone, no warning.

[canadaump6]

Thank you to those of you who provided insight on the dangers of lightning. The comment that I shouldn't be umpiring because I didn't call this game was just plain unthinking.

[danreeves1973]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Thank you to those of you who provided insight on the dangers of lightning. The comment that I shouldn't be umpiring because I didn't call this game was just plain unthinking.

No, it was an opinion.

IMO, player safety at ANY level should always be somewhere in the front of your mind. Not thinking safety puts players at risk and in the case of lightning, your own self, and can unfortunately in our litigious times, put you at risk for a lawsuit.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Thank you to those of you who provided insight on the dangers of lightning. The comment that I shouldn't be umpiring because I didn't call this game was just plain unthinking.

Well, let's put it this way: Now that you know what a danger lightning truly is, and not just a really cool, pretty light display in the sky , if you ever put players at risk like this again, then we certainly don't think that you should ever umpire again.

But we don't have to worry about that, do we, since you won't ever let that happen again, right?

[SAump]

There was a situation in Grapeland, TX in 2004 where an entire football team, 40+ people, was hit by one strike, one player killed. Everything I've ever read about the case indicated there was no previous lightning seen by anyone, no warning.

The bottom line is no one can predict when or where lightning will strike. However, everyone will know when and where after a lightning strike because of the inherent danger involved. If you're too close, your vision turns ghostly white and if your so lucky, you're left feeling thunderous reverberations for a short time. No doubt, people nearby will leave with the feeling that they could have been killed. The inconvenience of waiting 30 minutes pales in comparison to the possible danger. Clear the field, dugouts, stands, trees, etc., and seek shelter inside a building or car.

http://www.intellicast.com/Storm/Severe/Lightning.aspx
Every weather service provider tracks lightning to ground strikes over the US. You may be surprised by the high number of occurences (1000's) during relatively clear days. There is much better lightning data (10's of 1000's) available during major TS events. One may be surprised by the high number of strikes over large areas in very short time periods {lightning strikes 100's of mile away sec after sec in every direction}. Should a lightning bolt cause any harm at a sporting event, one can easily request this data for litigation.

Remember, 300-mile long thunderstorm lines are moving 30-mph or faster, with TS cells within them moving 60-mph or faster and regenerating as much electricity in mere seconds as many water powered turbines generate in days. It would be much wiser to follow the 30/30 recommendation above. Although lightning may happen w/out warning and this occurence happens relatively often; those concerned w/the possible danger of a lightning strike will raise the question, "How did you know that?"

[danreeves1973]

I would be interested to know the percentage of HS's that are using lightning detectors and the number of college and pro teams using them.

When I last called HS ball two years ago, I knew of one school that had one mounted out past the outfield fence (supposedly the system cost $10,000 or more) and I knew of a few teams that had handheld units.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by danreeves1973

I would be interested to know the percentage of HS's that are using lightning detectors and the number of college and pro teams using them.

When I last called HS ball two years ago, I knew of one school that had one mounted out past the outfield fence (supposedly the system cost $10,000 or more) and I knew of a few teams that had handheld units.

My guess is high. Most likely the high cost of one of the early models. I believe each district is responsible for having at least one handheld unit at each football stadium.

Defibrilator units often carried by EMT are also standard in many ball parks as a time saving measure for each heart-atack victim. These units may play a major role in saving the life of a lightning strike victim too. I was surprised how the news spread so quickly from one local group to another, like wildfire, and how rapid the community response of approval came after the purchase.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Thank you to those of you who provided insight on the dangers of lightning. The comment that I shouldn't be umpiring because I didn't call this game was just plain unthinking.

It was not "unthinking." It came after considerable thought. And it was not directed at you, personally, it was directed, as I stated to ANYONE who is so ignorant of lightning that they would put players safety and lives in jeopardy.

I stand by that. This serous business, not a mindless attack. Lightning kills people every year. To allow a game to continue when lightning sruck less that 200 feet from players is inexcusable.

[waltjp]

canadaump6 - please clarify, how far away was the lightning you witnessed?

[Tim C]

"My guess is high."

I call your bluff.

In my area of Oregon (a "hot bed" of thunder shower activity in March and April) there are ZERO systems.

Maybe in your "area" (Texas) has this covered. Sadly, we leave it to the umpire.

(And I hope Canada never EVER umpires in the spring in this area.)

Regards,

[canadaump6]

The lightning was followed by a small rumble of thunder about 10 seconds later. It was not 200 feet from players- when I said centre field I meant in that direction, but certainly not close to the diamond.

Alright Steve I can accept the fact that umpiring isn't for me if I put myself at risk for lawsuits. But it's not really the lawsuits that concern me, it's the safety of the players. Anytime we get lightning everyone just goes into the dugout or bench area thinking that shelter from rain also provides shelter from lightning, so they wouldn't have been any safer had I called the game. Better to play out the last 1 or 2 outs than have everyone standing in the dugouts hoping that the game gets resumed.

As a side note, I had a game today as a player in which a flash of lightning went off more than an hour before the game. We had another flash in the 7th or 8th inning, but nobody said anything and the game was completed.

[BigUmp56]

Do your dugouts have dirt floors and no roof?

Tim.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

The lightning was followed by a small rumble of thunder about 10 seconds later. It was not 200 feet from players- when I said centre field I meant in that direction, but certainly not close to the diamond.

Initially, you said, "A couple streaks of lightning went off in centre field"...not near centre field, not in the general direction of centre field, not beyond centre field, but IN centre field.

Okay, so now you change your story. Ten seconds equates to approximately two miles, so the lightning was still well within the danger zone. It would still be idiotic to expose players to that level of danger.

Anytime we get lightning everyone just goes into the dugout or bench area thinking that shelter from rain also provides shelter from lightning, so they wouldn't have been any safer had I called the game. Better to play out the last 1 or 2 outs than have everyone standing in the dugouts hoping that the game gets resumed.

Open structures like pavillions and dugouts are, accoring to NOAA, among the worst areas to seek shelter from lightning.

As a side note, I had a game today as a player in which a flash of lightning went off more than an hour before the game. We had another flash in the 7th or 8th inning, but nobody said anything and the game was completed.

Incomprehensible.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Initially, you said, "A couple streaks of lightning went off in centre field"...not near centre field, not in the general direction of centre field, not beyond centre field, but IN centre field.

Okay, so now you change your story. Ten seconds equates to approximately two miles, so the lightning was still well within the danger zone. It would still be idiotic to expose players to that level of danger.



Open structures like pavillions and dugouts are, accoring to NOAA, among the worst areas to seek shelter from lightning.



Incomprehensible.

Nope, I never changed my story. You just misinterpreted it. In my post I mentioned that dugouts do not offer protection from lightning, so you're not telling us anything new there.