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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 04:55pm
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I have heard many a story about this but have never had it happen to me (yet :0) It sure appears obvious intent but I was not there. I don't know if I would dump any body based on what I see in the vid but I do know one thing, the strike zone just got smaller (or larger) for the team in question!!! No place for that at any level.
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 08:05pm
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That ball didn't hit the batter's helmet - check out the batter's initial reaction.
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 08:07pm
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That ball didn't hit the batter's helmet - check out the batter's initial reaction.
Tuss,

WTF are you talkin' about?

JM

edited to add...

Tuss, My apologies.

Ozzy,

WTF you talkin' about?

JM

P.S. Just another reason why video replay should NOT be used to officiate baseball games.
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 08:16pm
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That ball didn't hit the batter's helmet - check out the batter's initial reaction.
His reaction seems to be alerting the runner not to advance.You would think that if it hit him,he would know the ball is dead.It is really hard to tell,but I think the catchers actions tell it all(hitting the dirt that early makes no sense.)
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 08:39pm
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Twice in American Legion Baseball I had to deal with this.

Once the pitcher began hitting everything but the strike zone and Daddy, who just happen to be the Coach started in on me along with his catcher and pitcher. This carried on for a short time and when they lost the lead, which was my fault of course, (4 walks in an inning), Daddy went out to talk to his boy and on the way had a few words to add.

Very next pitch was inside, right to the chest as the catcher moved his glove.

BYE BYE Daddy , son and catcher. All three suspended 3 games.

Second time 2 years later, catcher is giving lip the whole game about being called out on strikes. Finally I tell him I heard enough and that it was over.
Next pitch catcher drops glove and misses pitch, again to the chest. Stands up and immeadiately states the sun got in his eyes. Only thing he is wearing, he is wearing a sun shield on the top part of his mask.

I tell the catcher, "you won't have to worry about the sun anymore" and advise the coach to replace him. Next day the catcher is thrown out of the league because this was the second time it happen in the season.

True stories, my best advise, make sure you are squared up with the pitcher at all time so as to maximize protection provided and DO NOT be afraid to pull the trigger and eject someone.
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 10:06pm
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That ball didn't hit the batter's helmet - check out the batter's initial reaction.
Right. If it hit his helmet, his first and only reaction would be to get 1st base.
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Old Mon Jun 02, 2008, 08:34pm
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I have heard many a story about this but have never had it happen to me (yet :0) It sure appears obvious intent but I was not there. I don't know if I would dump any body based on what I see in the vid but I do know one thing, the strike zone just got smaller (or larger) for the team in question!!! No place for that at any level.
You're kidding, right?
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2008, 06:12am
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Some additional information

I didn't include this info initially because I wanted everyone to judge based on what they saw, but reportedly there had been a lot of arguing about balls and strikes, with 9 SO's to that point, many on called third strikes.

The school is conducting its own investigation (so far, the coaches say it wasn't planned), but rest assured when that investigation is done the Georgia High School Association will step in and have something to say.
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2008, 08:12am
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I didn't include this info initially because I wanted everyone to judge based on what they saw, but reportedly there had been a lot of arguing about balls and strikes, with 9 SO's to that point, many on called third strikes.

The school is conducting its own investigation (so far, the coaches say it wasn't planned), but rest assured when that investigation is done the Georgia High School Association will step in and have something to say.
The article said that the school apologized to the Georgia HS association. How about an apology to the umpires, who would've never had this happen had they stepped up and ejected F1 when he threw his helmet after getting rung up the previous inning.
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I'm not sure exactly what preceeded this obviously intentional act, but from reading the rest of the posts I could say with certainty that there were probably incidents of unsportsmanlike conduct that went unaddressed during the game. I have learned from hard experience that if a crew ignores conduct that is inappropriate during the game that there will be severe consequences eventually.

This umpire is just lucky that the F1 threw an off-speed pitch. Lesson learned for all of us, don't ever let things get that far out of hand.
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2008, 12:12pm
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I have learned from hard experience that if a crew ignores conduct that is inappropriate during the game that there will be severe consequences eventually.
Agree completely. Also from hard experience, the same concept is also true in basketball and football.
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2008, 07:14pm
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I had this happen to me one time. I rang the pitcher up on strike three to end an inning and the second pitch the next inning the catcher dropped his glove just as he was about to catch the pitch. It hit me directly in the mask. I immediately ejected the catcher and pitcher. The team was very undisiplined and the coach had no control.
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2008, 09:13pm
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Why just dump people?

If I am PU, the game is a forfeit.

I have this happen to me once, and if it ever happens again, somebody had better have very competent legal counsel.

If you read this thread, you will actually find two people trying to justify the actions of these two punks: http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=10;t=001448

Disgusting.
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Old Thu Jun 05, 2008, 09:13am
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got the school for a grand....i thought the online poll results in the article were interesting
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...wild_0605.html
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got the school for a grand....i thought the online poll results in the article were interesting
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...wild_0605.html
"severe warning status" Is that like double secret probation?
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