Standoff at third

[youngump]

Why not just hand the ball to the third baseman?
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ROLL A JOINT

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by youngump

Why not just hand the ball to the third baseman?

You mean do something that's really obvious?

Coaches in LL minors are usually really new at coaching. Combine this with their not understanding 7.13 (the no-leadoff rule) and you get really strange activity.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by youngump

Why not just hand the ball to the third baseman?

Because if the pitcher does, the third baseman will have to throw the ball back to the mound. At that age, and more pertinent with the inexperienced coaching, every time the ball is thrown from one fielder to another there's a good chance the ball will be misplayed. I understand what Rich was saying about 7.13, but remember, this thread began discussing USSSA 12U where there is no prohibition on lead offs.



Tim.

[danreeves1973]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Because if the pitcher does, the third baseman will have to throw the ball back to the mound. At that age, and more pertinent with the inexperienced coaching, every time the ball is thrown from one fielder to another there's a good chance the ball will be misplayed. I understand what Rich was saying about 7.13, but remember, this thread began discussing USSSA 12U where there is no prohibition on lead offs.



Tim.

actually Dixie has a 7.13, not sure if it's exactly the same as LL's, but it does prohibit leading off. Once pitcher has the ball on the rubber, catcher is in position, runners must be on their bases.

sorry if my misclarification caused any confusion.

[BigUmp56]

My bad, Dan. For some reason I thought we were discussing USSSA. I should have gone back and checked the first page of the thread. It wouldn't change what I was talking about though. All the runner has to do is show he's making an attempt to advance while the ball is on it's way back to the pitcher, and he cannot be forced back to the bag just because the battery is set. I looked at it this way when I coached my sons in minors. The defense has to execute several things to be successful in getting the runner out. They have to throw the ball twice, catch the ball twice, and execute a tag. The runner just has to book home and slide......


Tim.

[danreeves1973]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

My bad, Dan. For some reason I thought we were discussing USSSA. I should have gone back and checked the first page of the thread. It wouldn't change what I was talking about though. All the runner has to do is show he's making an attempt to advance while the ball is on it's way back to the pitcher, and he cannot be forced back to the bag just because the battery is set. I looked at it this way when I coached my sons in minors. The defense has to execute several things to be successful in getting the runner out. They have to throw the ball twice, catch the ball twice, and execute a tag. The runner just has to book home and slide......


Tim.

correct me if I'm wrong cause I want to make sure I got this right, but as long as he makes no stop, no pause going from 3rd to home, even if the battery is set, he does not have to return. BUT, if he stops, send him back to 3rd.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by danreeves1973

correct me if I'm wrong cause I want to make sure I got this right, but as long as he makes no stop, no pause going from 3rd to home, even if the battery is set, he does not have to return. BUT, if he stops, send him back to 3rd.

I'm not sure about Dixie, Dan. LL say that as long as a runner is "legitimately" off of his base the pitcher cannot stop him by returning the ball to the rubber. This leaves it to our judgment as to whether the runner is legitimately making an attempt to advance, or just stalling to bait a bad throw. If it's the latter of the two I would return the runner, or he'd be at risk of a 7.13 violation.

Tim.

[tidefanintenn]

I had this coach that is always coming up with the best ways to handle any situation.

Here's what he had his kids do. After the pitch he had the catcher step up to the plate and check the runner. The pitcher immediately returned to the rubber and got ready to receive the throw back. The catcher once he had the runner in the standoff with no attempt either way, he would give a good crisp throw back to the pitcher who was in contact with the rubber. As soon as he caught it the runners were returning because they were not making an attempt rather just standing there trying to draw a throw.

I also have a partner that will always give the defense the benefit of the doubt if they execute everything and it is aplay that could go either way. That ussually slows the offensive coach down a little.

Dixie's rule returns the runner if he is not making a valid attempt to advance. Otherwise the pitcher does not stop continuous play by running to the rubber.