Was this too much?

[canadaump6]

I'm bringing this situation up to inquire about what should happen with an ejected player after a game.

Adult league game, my team is on the field. R1. Ground ball to second baseman who overthrows first base and throws it out of play. Plate umpire sends R1 to 3rd and BR to 2nd. Immediately upon hearing the call, young first base coach starts yelling very disrespectfully at 65+ year old umpire, including the phrase "I am a former umpire!".

By now you can tell by the umpire's voice that he is provoked, p1ssed off and even a bit nervous. After a bit more yelling from the player, he tosses him. Immediately upon ejecting, the player gets in his face and yells "you're brutal" among other things. He actually points his finger at the umpire, and the ump takes a grab at his finger. Fortunately the player moves it away, but starts yelling "don't touch me! Don't touch me!". Nobody intervenes, but finally the player goes to the bench where he is greeted with high fives by over half his team mates.

The plate umpire, from on the field, tells him "you have one minute to leave the ballpark or this game is forfeited", and then looking at his watch "10 seconds are up already". Now another player starts yelling "he's got to get his stuff!" and "it's a public park you can't kick him out of here!". I believe that the ejected player did eventually leave.

My question is should an umpire be putting a time limit (ie 1 minute) on how long a player has to leave the park? Also, where do you guys normally require a player to go after he is ejected?

[CO ump]

Curious
Was the umpire working solo?

I don't want to see or hear from him again. Whatever it takes to accomplish this is what I require.

I'm not starting the game until the guy has vacated and I don't want to be standing around giving this guy more opportunity to yell, incite, confront or generally continue to act like an a$$ hole. So motivating his departure with a threat of forfiet seems perfectly OK to me. It also may be the only way to get his teammates motivated to help the situation.

[jicecone]

"Adult league game" commonly known as "Baby sitting"

65+ yr old umpire trying to grab the finger of an adult, acting like a kid! ??
Unprofessional.

Umpire making up rules to send the pouting little brat to his room!! !

Boy that must have been fun.

Generally, a reasonalble amount of time (as determined by the official) to leave the confines of the field is acceptable unless League rules state differently.

Outside the confines of the field is not the jurisdiction of the umpire. But if he can get the players to belive otherwise, Go for it!

[TussAgee11]

Outside my field is my jurisdiction when it comes to an ejected participant. Out of my sight and sound.

1st Base Coach is a moron... where do these people come from???

[Ump29]

This was NOT too much. Only comments I would make would be that 1 minute is a little short and the Umpire should not have tried to grab the finger - very bad action. My standard practice for ejections is a reasonable amount of time and as far away as possible preferably out of sight and sound. Yes the forfeit can be used for incentive . Works for me !!

[bluezebra]

It depends on how close the idiot's finger was to the ump's face. If it were close enough to possibly poke him in the eye, he should have broken it.

As for time to leave, if the fool can't get his gear together in a minute, he has another problem.

Bob

[BigUmp56]

I pretty much agree with Bob. The one minute may be a little much of a constraint to allow the azzhole time to collect his gear, but if he brings that finger in close proximity to an umpires face, the umpire is well within his rights to see to it that he's not going to be poked in the face.



Tim.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I'm bringing this situation up to inquire about what should happen with an ejected player after a game.

Adult league game, my team is on the field. R1. Ground ball to second baseman who overthrows first base and throws it out of play. Plate umpire sends R1 to 3rd and BR to 2nd. Immediately upon hearing the call, young first base coach starts yelling very disrespectfully at 65+ year old umpire, including the phrase "I am a former umpire!".

Adult baseball.... might-have-beens, wannabees, and never-weres.

Anyway, we've talked a bit about the reaction of the umpire and his useless partner. What I want to know is: what's the deal with the idiot 1B coach? Am I missing something, because it sounds like the call was correct, so what the h3ll was his problem?

And from the stories you've told, and other Canadian posters have mentioned, what's the deal up there? Is it just because you guys can finally go outside without freezing to death, that players/coaches lose their minds on the field? Or is pent-up aggression from watching the Stanley Cup playoffs? Holy smokes!

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

Adult baseball.... might-have-beens, wannabees, and never-weres.

Anyway, we've talked a bit about the reaction of the umpire and his useless partner. What I want to know is: what's the deal with the idiot 1B coach? Am I missing something, because it sounds like the call was correct, so what the h3ll was his problem?

And from the stories you've told, and other Canadian posters have mentioned, what's the deal up there? Is it just because you guys can finally go outside without freezing to death, that players/coaches lose their minds on the field? Or is pent-up aggression from watching the Stanley Cup playoffs? Holy smokes!

Unfortunately I do not have a great basis for comparison with my neighbours to the south, because I've only umpired there on a couple occasions. I do get the picture that you guys pay better and have more baseball leagues, but that's about all I can tell.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Unfortunately I do not have a great basis for comparison with my neighbours to the south, because I've only umpired there on a couple occasions. I do get the picture that you guys pay better and have more baseball leagues, but that's about all I can tell.

We certainly have more leagues, and I can't talk at all about pay. I know I get paid better here in the US than I did while working games in one of your fellow Commonwealth countries (Australia).

But it just seems - from what you've mentioned, and what "ExCop" has discussed on [OTHER FORUM NAME DELETED] - that some of the leagues up there are like a circus, game-in, game-out, with the way players and coaches act.

It's probably not a Canadian thing, but it sometimes seems like it. As if, when the players finally get weather enough to get out on the fields, they go slightly insane.

[TussAgee11]

Perhaps our neighboring Canucks get upset on the ballfield because of their Navy...



DISCLAIMER: One day I am going to defect to Canada. I do like them. Just trying to lighten up somebody's Monday.

[mbyron]

Just one small problem: that boat's logo is from the US Coast Guard.

Nice pop gun though. What is that, 50mm?