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johnnyg08 Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:43am

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
There is simply not enough umpires to cover all the games at each division.

that's our situation in the area where I assign...we'd love to lobby for two umps, but we don't have the capacity...

rngrck Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:48am

Well got called to work JV solo yesterday. It went well,low scoring game, only missed a pick off at 2nd due to F2 blocking my vision. Coach's very understanding at pre-game and were ok with me.
Gotta remember Garth's comment about the check swing. Classic!!! lol

gordon30307 Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:24am

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900
Here's my input:
  1. Don't work alone.
  2. If they can afford you, they can afford your partner!
  3. A fee and a half is not worth the aggravation (at least not at my age, any longer).
  4. If you have to ask, you are not ready to work alone.
Hope this gets the point across.... good luck.

In many areas of the country there are not enough umpires to have 2 man crews for JV, Soph and Freshman (High School) just a fact of life. This particularly true in the Chicago Metro Area.

GarthB Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:46am

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Originally Posted by rngrck
Well got called to work JV solo yesterday. It went well,low scoring game, only missed a pick off at 2nd due to F2 blocking my vision. Coach's very understanding at pre-game and were ok with me.
Gotta remember Garth's comment about the check swing. Classic!!! lol

Send me a PM with your email. We have a sheet a one=person mechanics that we use in training for first and second year umpires. I'll send you a copy. All frosh games here are one-man.

PeteBooth Wed Mar 05, 2008 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Years back, I was assigned to work a JV game. My partner did not show. One of the head coaches was known for his constant whining.

Around the fifth inning, I called a check swing: "No, he didn't go." This buffon yelled, "You gotta get some help on that!"

I looked around the field and then back at him. He yelled again, "C'mon, you gotta get some help!"

So, since there was a runner on second at the time, I pointed to left side of the mound and yelled, "Did he go?" I then jogged out to the "C" position, turned around gave the safe sign and yelled back, "No, he didn't go."

I jogged back to the plate, staring at the doofus coach all the way. About half way back, I saw that he finally showed some sign of recognition of reality, put his head down, and slinked back under his rock.



Hi Garth:

Nice one.

I had a different incident when working SOLO.

When working SOLO we give the best game possible.

During a check swing in which I called a ball NO he didn't offer, the Manager asked me to check with my partner. Instinctively I pointed to the first base coach before Reality sunk in.

Now after I pointed to the coach and got back to reality I said to myself "Pete what in the he** are you doing"

However, to my surprise the base coach gave me a strike signal on his own player. I said "hey if this kids own coach thought he offered who am I to argue" and I changed the call from ball to strike.

You should have seen the look the manager gave to his base coach. I had to call TIME for a minute because I started laughing.

Pete Booth

johnnyg08 Wed Mar 05, 2008 02:28pm

Just for fun, I've appealed to the 1B coach before...I never changed my call but more so doing it to show the teams that "hey, it's just me out there..."

HokieUmp Wed Mar 05, 2008 02:31pm

we must have it good....
 
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Originally Posted by gordon30307
In many areas of the country there are not enough umpires to have 2 man crews for JV, Soph and Freshman (High School) just a fact of life. This particularly true in the Chicago Metro Area.

In our area (Southern Hampton Roads), we have enough umpires for 2-man crews for all scholastic games - varsity, JV, middle school. And for all the other leagues our association does, too. In fact, we have such good numbers, we need more business to get everybody games. We do have some 1-umpire games, actually, but they're the real little dudes in the Pony system.

If you pay the travel fees, gordon30307, maybe can import some people your way.... :p

johnnyg08 Wed Mar 05, 2008 02:36pm

you do have it good

CO ump Wed Mar 05, 2008 04:46pm

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
Do not be INFLUENCED on changing calls even if you "kicked it" Example: you have a play at the plate see F2 tag the runner but do not SEE the ball lying on the ground.

You know the offense is going to "go nuts" but you do not have a partner to check with. If you start REVERSING calls based upon reactions of the other team get ready for a very long day.

Pete Booth

Pete
I get your larger point about a new ump working solo needing to be tough and hold up under the pressure of the coaches.
But
as advice to new umpires goes the above example is terrible.
If he doesn't "SEE the ball lying on the ground" then he didn't SEE the ball in F2s glove. One of the first things all new umpires need to learn is If you don't see the ball don't make a call!

Steven Tyler Wed Mar 05, 2008 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Years back, I was assigned to work a JV game. My partner did not show. One of the head coaches was known for his constant whining.

Around the fifth inning, I called a check swing: "No, he didn't go." This buffon yelled, "You gotta get some help on that!"

I looked around the field and then back at him. He yelled again, "C'mon, you gotta get some help!"

So, since there was a runner on second at the time, I pointed to left side of the mound and yelled, "Did he go?" I then jogged out to the "C" position, turned around gave the safe sign and yelled back, "No, he didn't go."

I jogged back to the plate, staring at the doofus coach all the way. About half way back, I saw that he finally showed some sign of recognition of reality, put his head down, and slinked back under his rock.

I hope I never feel the urge as an umpire to act this unprofessional on a ballfield....:rolleyes:

johnnyg08 Wed Mar 05, 2008 05:57pm

all depends on the setting...unless you're joking here...but an ump could have a little fun with this depending on the situation...

GarthB Wed Mar 05, 2008 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
I hope I never feel the urge as an umpire to act this unprofessional on a ballfield....:rolleyes:

That should be "unprofessionally", an adverb.

ozzy6900 Wed Mar 05, 2008 07:30pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
I hope I never feel the urge as an umpire to act this unprofessional on a ballfield....:rolleyes:

Oh knock it off, Steve! I think that Garth did a great job of showing a bonehead coach up! Jack-a$$ wanted a check, Jack-a$$ got a check! You need to lighten up and enjoy this $hit! :D

tibear Thu Mar 06, 2008 08:35am

I remember one game I was doing solo with R2 and R3, less then two out.

Batter hits a line shot to F7 that the fielder has to run in and dive for. I'm watching the fielder dive for the ball, make the catch, roll on the ground and then stand up and throw the ball AND at the same time trying to see what R3 is doing with regards to tagging up. As soon as I see F7 still has the ball I check R2, who's about two steps off the bag and running towards third.

End of play had R3 scoring and R2 standing on third. Defensive manager yells to get them to appeal that R2 let early. I call the runner safe. Out comes the manager saying that the runner never went back to tag the base.

I simply explained what my priorities were on the play:
1) Legal catch
2) Tag up of R3
3) Tag up of R2

I admitted that when I checked R2 he was about 2 steps off the bag which was close enough for me. If R2 was half way to third when I checked then he might have an arguement but being the only umpire means that you have to have priorities about what your looking for.

The manager still wasn't happy and insisted that the runner didn't tag up but I simply told him that if he wasn't happy that he should try to persuede more of his players to take up umpiring so we wouldn't be so short year after year.

johnnyg08 Thu Mar 06, 2008 09:23am

close enough for me

be careful with that phrase...that can cause more trouble than simply saying nothing


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