The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Baseball (https://forum.officiating.com/baseball/)
-   -   BOT - coach refuses to.. (https://forum.officiating.com/baseball/41099-bot-coach-refuses.html)

_Bruno_ Wed Jan 16, 2008 09:48am

BOT - coach refuses to..
 
hi,
following situation :
batting out of turn/order, count 1:1.
defensive coach appeals that the improper batter's up.
umpire walks over to the offensive coach and tells him about the improper batter. instead of changeging the batter (improper batter -> proper batter) the O.Coach says "i'll let the improper batter hit, you cannot dictate me, to change the batter !".

can he ? or can't he ?

JJ Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:08am

Once the BOO has been properly called to the umpire's attention, the penalty must be enforced. Rule reference? Penalty for BOO. Plus, the offensive coach is a dufus (for lack of a better word). IMHO this is a TWP.

JJ

dash_riprock Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:18am

Why would he do this? There is no possible advantage to be gained.

greymule Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:29am

My first thought was that this is not like directing a pitcher to remove a wristband or a fielder to play in fair territory, so I'd let the improper batter continue batting and then deal with whatever appeal ensues. After all, the OBR book says, "The proper batter may take his place in the batter's box. . . ."

However, the book also says that when the defense appeals an improper batter who has not completed his time at bat, "Abel replaces Baker" and assumes the count. Therefore, I would order the proper batter into the box and prepare to toss a coach who is obviously looking for trouble.

Once the BOO has been properly called to the umpire's attention, the penalty must be enforced.


What penalty?

ozzy6900 Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Bruno_
hi,
following situation :
batting out of turn/order, count 1:1.
defensive coach appeals that the improper batter's up.
umpire walks over to the offensive coach and tells him about the improper batter. instead of changeging the batter (improper batter -> proper batter) the O.Coach says "i'll let the improper batter hit, you cannot dictate me, to change the batter !".

can he ? or can't he ?

Did you really have this happen to you or are you just bored? :eek:

Okay, let's say that the manager is a real moron and this really happened....

Umpire: "Coach, the opposing coach has appealed BOO (we don't call it BOT) so get me the proper batter up here or the game will not continue!"

Coach still argues, dump him - he's a total jerk anyway and would do his team a better service by not being there anymore.

Still, after more than a half century in the game, I have never run into a coach that was this much of an idiot - yet! :rolleyes:

GarthB Wed Jan 16, 2008 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900
Did you really have this happen to you or are you just bored? :eek:

Okay, let's say that the manager is a real moron and this really happened....

My read is that Bruno works in a foreign country. Two possibilities I can think of:

1. Foreign coach is unfamiliar with the rules but understands the universal trait of coaches to act like a$$es.

2. Coach is an American who is unfamiliar with rules and thinks he can bluff or bully a foreign umpire, thus demonstrating the universal trait of coaches to act like a$$es.

Either way, the coach is being a coach.

JJ Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by greymule

Once the BOO has been properly called to the umpire's attention, the penalty must be enforced.


What penalty?

Replacing the improper batter with the proper batter.
JJ

ManInBlue Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:41pm

You know - DC wasn't real smart to mention the BOO DURING the at bat either.

ozzy6900 Thu Jan 17, 2008 06:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManInBlue
You know - DC wasn't real smart to mention the BOO DURING the at bat either.

I have had many a youth coach do this. Then at the half inning, they always come out wondering if they should have waited! :eek: On the other side of the coin, I've never had a Scholastic Coach do this.

waltjp Thu Jan 17, 2008 06:30pm

I've had a youth coach ask me when he should tell me that the current batter is batting out of order. My reply, "You just did. Time!"


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:14am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1