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dash_riprock Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:32pm

Knoblauch also struck out almost as often as he walked.

waltjp Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:48pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
Taken from the Official MLB stats page:

Knoblauch had a career on base percentage of .378. Batting average is way over-rated. A hit is more beneficial than a walk only when there is a runner in scoring position.

Guess you're not counting extra-base hits.

waltjp Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock
Knoblauch also struck out almost as often as he walked.

Chuck Knoblauch

Career Hits - 1839
Career K's - 730

Roughly 2 1/2 hits per strikeout

kylejt Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:01am

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Originally Posted by Publius
Damn, kyle, if none of those guys belong, you need to go to Cooperstown and destroy about 20 plaques.


20 would be a minimum, plus I'd boot all the umpires. Safe, out, ball, strike. Throw in some rules and good knees. Big deal. How about the guy who runs the scoreboard at Wrigley, or the lady who plays the organ too? Scully? Yes. Bill Klem? I don't think so.

I did like seeing the uniform Gina Davis wore in "A League of Their Own" at the Hall though. Jocko Conlan's beanie did nothing for me.

dash_riprock Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaump6
Taken from the Official MLB stats page:

Knoblauch had a career on base percentage of .378. Batting average is way over-rated. A hit is more beneficial than a walk only when there is a runner in scoring position.

Not even close to being in the top 100. And that's all you can say about him? He doesn't belong on this list. Jason Giambi has a higher OBP.

DonInKansas Sat Dec 29, 2007 01:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltjp
Chuck Knoblauch

Career Hits - 1839
Career K's - 730

Roughly 2 1/2 hits per strikeout

He said walk, not hit.

waltjp Sat Dec 29, 2007 01:28am

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas
He said walk, not hit.

Yup. Ya got me. :(

JJ Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:31am

:confused:
Shawon Dunston? Who nominates these guys - their mothers?

JJ

Arnold A. Sat Dec 29, 2007 08:18pm

Jim Rice -If he doesn't get in, none of the following should
• Brady Anderson -Hell no
• Harold Baines -No
• Rod Beck -No
• Bert Blyleven -No
• Dave Concepcion -No
Andre Dawson -Yes
• Shawon Dunston -No
• Chuck Finley -No
• Travis Fryman -No
Rich Gossage -Yes
Tommy John -Yes
• David Justice -No
• Chuck Knoblauch -No
• Don Mattingly -No
• Mark McGwire -No
• Jack Morris -Yes
• Dale Murphy -No
• Robb Nen -No
• Dave Parker -No
• Tim Raines -No
• Jose Rijo -No
• Lee Smith -No
• Todd Stottlemyre -No
• Alan Trammell -No

Publius Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:35am

Relievers are eligible for my HOF; I just can't find one I'd vote for. What they contribute relative to position players and starting pitchers isn't HOF worthy. If a guy spends his career as a DH, I'd never vote for him, either.

Now, Steve, I know you're going to disagree, but your claim that teams wouldn't have gotten to the playoffs is sheer speculation. It can't be proven or disproven. True in some cases, not in others. I'd be more impressed with saves if the rule granting one weren't so liberal. Two outs, last inning. Reliever comes in with a three-run lead and a runner on first. He gives up a two-run shot, then a double before the next guy flies out to the warning track. Save. Joke.

How many saves are granted to closers after set-up guys and middle relievers do the heavy lifting? R1, R2, no outs. Set-up guy strikes out two batters, then closer comes in, walks a batter and retires the next one. Save. Joke.

The save is the most overrated stat in baseball. I'm curious as to how many would be granted under a different condition: you don't get one unless you enter the game with the tying run in scoring position (not on deck). If a guy chalked up 300 of THOSE in a career, I'd vote to put him in the HOF.

umpduck11 Sun Dec 30, 2007 02:02am

Tawny Kitaen belongs in the Hall before Chuck Finley. After all, look at all the hits she got on him......... :rolleyes:

kylejt Sun Dec 30, 2007 02:03am

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Originally Posted by Publius
...you don't get one unless you enter the game with the tying run in scoring position (not on deck).


Hey, Trevor Hoffman nearly always puts the tying run on base. Does that count?

SanDiegoSteve Mon Dec 31, 2007 03:12am

I guess the lesson learned here is that a bunch of umpires who post on the internet is not the best group from which to base who should go into the Hall.

DonInKansas Mon Dec 31, 2007 03:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ
:confused:
Shawon Dunston? Who nominates these guys - their mothers?

JJ

Everyone is eligible after 5 years out of the game.

Publius Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I guess the lesson learned here is that a bunch of umpires who post on the internet is not the best group from which to base who should go into the Hall.

No doubt. Particularly the ones who seem to have but a single criterion:

"Did you take steroids? You didn't? OK, you're in."


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