A Two-fer

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I was just sitting around icing my knee and getting a little bored. So, (forgive me) I wandered over to YouTube

Forgive you for what? Were watching something else than ball?

and saw these two clips of missed ejections.

Besides the PU failing to toss the pitcher, what do you think of his partner's actions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyRNXI7R6gA&NR=1

PU watched R3 X th eplat, good. Then he should have calmly ejected F1. Thats' a given.

To follow F1, allowing the coach to become the hero by stepping in between (good job Coach), was a major boo-boo.

PU didn't miss the call, up and in, LHP to LHB, on a 3 ball count with loaded, sorry, ain't gonna get it.

A competent umpre would have taken a deeep breath, made sure R3 touches, all Rs reach their bases, and with little overt action, ejected F1. If Coach isn't out of the dugout, then with "T" in place, he would inform Coach his LHP is showering.

[SanDiegoSteve]

fit, what's an eplat and the "T?"

[Interested Ump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

fit, what's an eplat and the "T?"

Isn't that Greek for "an umpire who tosses a pitcher halfway to the plate while runners are advancing might have an ego issue that matches his poor choice of timing an ejection"?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Interested Ump

Isn't that Greek for "an umpire who tosses a pitcher halfway to the plate while runners are advancing might have an ego issue that matches his poor choice of timing an ejection"?

You don't have to take your eyes off of the play to give the good old heave-ho signal, Walter. The runners were just trotting on the ball four award anyway.


Tim.

[t-rex]

It looks to me like F1's complaint had something to do with the batter stepping into the pitch based on where he slammed his glove into the plate. I'm not sure why he thought that made a difference.

In a league ball pre-season clinic last spring, we had one of the local association trainers (Fed ball association) showing us the preferred mechanic for his association for stepping in between a coach and a fellow umpire after the ejection. The mechanic he recommended was to escort the ejector away from the ejectee so as not to escalate the situation.

This situation illustrates why this is not a good idea, and reinforces my thinking that the trainer was just plain wrong (and proves most of you guys right, from previous posts on how to deal with these situations.) By facing his fellow umpire and pushing him away, it gives the impression to everyone on the field that the umpire was the agressor. Now, in this situation, HP was one of the agressors, but BU's actions drew more attention to this fact.

Canada, I would rethink yelling at F1. Yelling or following F1 back to the mound will both make you look like the agressor, and a warning to get back to the mound is not warranted in this situation, IMO.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You don't have to take your eyes off of the play to give the good old heave-ho signal, Walter. The runners were just trotting on the ball four award anyway.


Tim.

The play is live. If you interrupt potential defensive actions, or offensive reactions, with an ejection, and I'm either coach, you got a real problem coming.

Me. Regardless of the the idiot pitcher who most certainly needed an ejection. At the appropriate time.

This is an ole Memphis/Atlanta baseball stunt. LHP, LHB, he's in for one B, let P get tossed inappropriately, who cares if he sits. Get everyone riled up including PU and have him become the cener of attention, emotions up, team up.

Not saying this was the case in the video but sophisticated baseball game managers know this manuever by heart. So you learn to make ejections at the right time, in the right way.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by fitump56

The play is live. If you interrupt potential defensive actions, or offensive reactions, with an ejection, and I'm either coach, you got a real problem coming.

Me. Regardless of the the idiot pitcher who most certainly needed an ejection. At the appropriate time.

This is an ole Memphis/Atlanta baseball stunt. LHP, LHB, he's in for one B, let P get tossed inappropriately, who cares if he sits. Get everyone riled up including PU and have him become the cener of attention, emotions up, team up.

Not saying this was the case in the video but sophisticated baseball game managers know this manuever by heart. So you learn to make ejections at the right time, in the right way.

If you are the coach that comes out, I doubt I would have any real problem. I would simply dump you right away also. I would not let it bother me to dump the pitcher, watch the remaining action until it was all over, then call Time (not a "T" technical foul), then calmly dump the manager when he comes out. I don't know any good umpires that would "get riled up" when ejecting someone. That's why we get paid the big bucks, to stay calm while others are losing it. I get downright peaceful just before I pull the trigger intentionally in order to keep my cool.

I don't know who taught you that the ball must be dead in order to eject someone, but they lied to you. Ejections during live action are quite commonplace and done at all levels of baseball.

You seem to think we are all a bunch of hayseeds who have never worked any classy, sophisticated baseball before, but you are certainly mistaken on that account.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I don't know who taught you that the ball must be dead in order to eject someone, but they lied to you. Ejections during live action are quite commonplace and done at all levels of baseball.

You seem to think we are all a bunch of hayseeds who have never worked any classy, sophisticated baseball before, but you are certainly mistaken on that account.

Thinking back on ejections I have done, I agree, a high majority were when the ball was live.

What I don't understand is why you don't have this guy on your ignore list.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by fitump56

The play is live. If you interrupt potential defensive actions, or offensive reactions, with an ejection, and I'm either coach, you got a real problem coming.

There's nothing to interrupt while issuing the ejection and watching continuing action at the same time. The only problem I see with one of the coaches coming out to ***** about the timing of the ejection is the additional pen to paper time I'll have to endure while writing my ejection report. That shouldn't take more than a minute of my time and less than a tenth of a cent for ink, so I won't be too torn up about it.................


Tim.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
The play is live. If you interrupt potential defensive actions, or offensive reactions, with an ejection, and I'm either coach, you got a real problem coming.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

There's nothing to interrupt while issuing the ejection and watching continuing action at the same time.

If there is nothing to interrrupt, then please define
'continuing action"???

The only problem I see with one of the coaches coming out to ***** about the timing of the ejection is the additional pen to paper time I'll have to endure while writing my ejection report. That shouldn't take more than a minute of my time and less than a tenth of a cent for ink, so I won't be too torn up about it.................

ok

I have no clue what all that above meant, Timothy. But I do want to comment on your asking if I thought you were an inexperienced umpire. Sure do; the 90' game is not one you can stand the test of experience.

[Rcichon]

PU in 'Pissed Pitcher" vid is the gutless one. At least BU went over and kept F2 & F1 away. His herding of the PU reminded me of a MLB crew chief doing that not too long ago....
The rat that came out would have needed his car keys immediately as would [the former] F1.

Other vid shows an [IMO] inexperienced Official. Wandering around and following the rat shows inexperience. The rat, even if tossed, won that one. That guy seriously lost his temper, probably long before this tirade.

IMHO

[briancurtin]

off-topic, but did anyone see this in the side panel of any of the other umpiring videos on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdL0FEp3zhE
i thought that was kind of funny

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

off-topic, but did anyone see this in the side panel of any of the other umpiring videos on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdL0FEp3zhE
i thought that was kind of funny

It could have been worse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI_v3k43pVo&NR=1

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Yes pitcher is gone right away.

the BU in vid 1 did a good job at first of making sure argument was 1 on 1 I thought.

What I was hinting at was how he (BU) actually shoved the PU away from the coach and towards home.

He wouldn't be a partner of mine again.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

What I was hinting at was how he (BU) actually shoved the PU away from the coach and towards home.

He wouldn't be a partner of mine again.

Good God, where does one start with this one?

Pitcher? Gone. Before reaching the plate.

Manager? Gone. He's got to go for coming out and taking over the pitcher's argument.

I can't tell if the BU came in because he figured that the PU was never going to get rid of the manager or what. But I can picture some of the umpires near where I live doing just this.