What is the Point of Playing in the Rain?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Miami has won the CWS twice in the last 20 years. The others you mention have never won the CWS,

Miami has 4th most CWS wins with 46 and has the 2nd most appearances with 22. Also Miami has won the CWS 4 times (1982, 85, 99, 2001)

FSU has the 10th most wins in CWS history with 25 and has the 6th most appearances with 17. FSU looked like they have been a runner-up at least twice and once to Miami (1999).

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Miami has 4th most CWS wins with 46 and has the 2nd most appearances with 22. Also Miami has won the CWS 4 times (1982, 85, 99, 2001)

FSU has the 10th most wins in CWS history with 25 and has the 6th most appearances with 17. FSU looked like they have been a runner-up at least twice and once to Miami (1999).

Peace

Nothing here indicates my post was anything but accurate. I checked the history as well.

Four schools surpass Miami in CWS Championships and none of the others you name appear anywhere on the list.

LSU, Arizonz, USC and Texas all could better claim to have history or top rated baseball teams. Recently, Oregon could make that claim.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Numbers do not lie.

You've obviously never read Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

[gordon30307]

Easy explanation of why college football and the NFL have the highest ratings.

GAMBLING.

Super Bowl Sunday generates the most action of any sporting event.

It's also why Soccer will never make it. Over/Under 3.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Easy explanation of why college football and the NFL have the highest ratings.

GAMBLING.

Super Bowl Sunday generates the most action of any sporting event.

It's also why Soccer will never make it. Over/Under 3.

LOL

Soccer is a sport for purists.

Baseball is a leisurely summer game that appeals to many and has a lot of strategy.

Football is the easiest for the masses to understand..
As well as the point spread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Nothing here indicates my post was anything but accurate. I checked the history as well.

Four schools surpass Miami in CWS Championships and none of the others you name appear anywhere on the list.

LSU, Arizonz, USC and Texas all could better claim to have history or top rated baseball teams. Recently, Oregon could make that claim.

Actually I did not say it wasn't. I just gave some additional information.

I was mainly talking about this from a recruiting and exposure point of view. No one has shown that what I said was incorrect either. I just know when I look at the nation’s top players; most of them do not come from my neck of the woods. They usually come from those warm weather states and Florida, California and Texas tend to have most of those players historically.

If I was not mistaken, many of the players on the Oregon team were from California if I remember correctly. During the broadcast they talked about how many players were from outside of Oregon and that helped their success.


Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Easy explanation of why college football and the NFL have the highest ratings.

GAMBLING.

Super Bowl Sunday generates the most action of any sporting event.

It's also why Soccer will never make it. Over/Under 3.

People bet on things they are interested in. Whatever the reason, baseball is far behind football the when you cannot outdraw or get higher ratings during the time when your sport is celebrating a champion.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

People bet on things they are interested in. Whatever the reason, baseball is far behind football the when you cannot outdraw or get higher ratings during the time when your sport is celebrating a champion.

Peace

Believe what you want to believe. The Super Bowl is a one-game winner take all event. Play it as a best of seven and we'll see where the betting is.

Football is a better "betting" sport, anyway. Ask 10 people what a 5.5/6.5 line is in baseball and only the hard core would understand.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is obvious that I am not the only one missing it. There must be a lot of others missing as they watched an 0-5 football team play another 3-2 football team in a market that only a few people in that region of the country think about. And there is more buzz in the country about a South Florida team at the top of the college polls than a Colorado team going to the World Series. When players come out of HS and they are more known to the sporting public than a baseball star, it is obvious there is not much nostalgia going on.

Peace

You've GOT to be kidding with this post, I hope. College football has no charm, allure, or history the way Baseball does. I absolutely love pro football, college basketball, and other sports, but I cannot deny Baseball has a very historical and nostalgic place in American society. No other sport has had more books, stories, and movies written about it than does Baseball.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by UMP25

You've GOT to be kidding with this post, I hope. College football has no charm, allure, or history the way Baseball does.

Really:

Most of the greatest Rivalries in this Country are in College Football. Here are some to name a few:

Army / Navy
Alabama / Auburn
Ohio State / Michigan
Harvard / Yale
UCLA / USC

Since Free Agency there is not a TRUE rivalry in baseball anymore.

Let's take the BOSOX / Yankees which currently is baseball's biggest rivalry.
Johnny Damon played for the BOSOX and now the Yanks. Therefore, the so called "heated rivalry" is a thing of the past.

I do not understand your argument. It's a FACT, baseball doesn't generate TV ratings. If they did, ABC / NBC/CBS/ and FOX would be "flying through hoops" to not only get the playoff Package but have a "decent" regular season package.

Football revenues from the networks continue to rise. Why do you think NBC got back into televising Football after they lost the AFC Package to CBS years ago.

Monday Night Football ratings have also gone down which is the reason Monday Football is now on ESPN as opposed to ABC.

As it stands now, Fox did not televise any of the first round games. They televised the Indians / BOSOX series and then the World Series.

Who would have thought years ago that the baseball playoff package would be on Cable. As I mentioned baseball cannot keep up with Prime Time Programming let alone the NFL.

Pete Booth

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by UMP25

You've GOT to be kidding with this post, I hope. College football has no charm, allure, or history the way Baseball does.

You do not know much about college football. Many college programs were around a lot longer than any pro sport in this country. And schools are still doing many of the same things they did from the minute they had a football program. I do not know if you have an HD TV, but there is a program called "Field of Glory" and they go to many college campuses all over the county and all they talk about is tradition. From the reason why the school colors are what they are, but why you hear certain chants, why the band plays certain songs or has certain routines to why Michigan Stadium has 107,500 and 1 or why Ohio State "dots the I." I was even watching the program today and Virginia Tech reveals who wears their mascot uniform by the student wearing the Hokie feet with the cap and gown. And if you are a Heisman Trophy winner, you are revered across the country even if you are accused of murder.

Originally Posted by UMP25

I absolutely love pro football, college basketball, and other sports, but I cannot deny Baseball has a very historical and nostalgic place in American society. No other sport has had more books, stories, and movies written about it than does Baseball.

So if people write the same book over and over again, that proves the better sport? OK, that is why our state no one wants to umpire, but everyone wants to be basketball and a football official. The number of books is really helping that cause. And you and I live in the same area where they talk about curses and Billy goats.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not know much about college football. Many college programs were around a lot longer than any pro sport in this country.

Not correct. No college football programs were around a lot longer than professional baseball.

First college football game ever played (which more closely resembled rugby):

Rutgers College (which became Rutgers University) VS. The College of New Jersey (which became Princeton)

November 6, 1869

First established professional baseball category within the National Association of Base Ball Players:

1869

First complete Nine professional baseball club: The Cincinatti Red Stockings:

Formed March 15, 1869.

[UMP25]

Steve, you can continue this conversation. I'm done talking to a wall.

I never said other sports have absolutely no allure or charm; rather, I said no other sport has the allure, charm, and nostalgia that baseball has. This simply is fact based not on my personal opinion--Lord knows baseball has its problems--but is based on the totality of Baseball and its longtime place in American history. Movies, books, stories, trading cards, pickup games, father/son relationships, its lingo and insertion into everyday lexicon, etc., etc. Football, college or pro, doesn't have this. Basketball doesn't have this. And soccer, arguably the world's most "popular" sport, doesn't have it--at all.

Baseball was and is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Steve, you can continue this conversation. I'm done talking to a wall.

I never said other sports have absolutely no allure or charm; rather, I said no other sport has the allure, charm, and nostalgia that baseball has. This simply is fact based not on my personal opinion

Well the fact is that MLB Playoffs did not get an audience to watch their sport over a regular season NFL game with both teams from small markets and one of the teams without a win. That is a fact, not a personal opinion. And the rating for the showcase of the sport has been abysmal over several years. Even when the Red Sox won the World Series, the ratings were terrible and that featured another "great baseball town" in that championship run. If all you can get is high ratings when one franchise in New York is playing, the sport has some serious marketing issues.

Originally Posted by UMP25

--Lord knows baseball has its problems--but is based on the totality of Baseball and its longtime place in American history. Movies, books, stories, trading cards, pickup games, father/son relationships, its lingo and insertion into everyday lexicon, etc., etc. Football, college or pro, doesn't have this. Basketball doesn't have this. And soccer, arguably the world's most "popular" sport, doesn't have it--at all.

Baseball was and is.

The facts are also that at the HS level, it is the 4th on the list of popularity. And I see more kids bouncing around a ball that is twice their size than I ever see a two kids throwing around a baseball with gloves in hands. There are more Michael Jordan fans with the man retired than there is of any retired baseball player. And the fact is that Jordan can show up to a HS game and they have to shut the place down to allow him to watch his son's play basketball. Billy Williams can do the very same thing with his Grandson and the man can watch the game in peace. Those are facts too.

Now I loved having this conversation because it is like talking around the bar about which team is better and why. These kinds of debates are what make sports fun and very enjoyable most of the time. Watching the actual games is only part of the fun.

But to act like facts are only based on "Well they wrote more books" is kind of silly to me. Hockey has a lot of history and passion but look where that sport is today. They played their games on a network that no one could find on most cable stations. Even the NFL Hall of Fame presentations are watched more than what MLB does during their presentation. So if they are so special, the general public is not watching and they are not as captivated as you are. Oh, did I mention that NFL Pre-season games that play on National TV also have higher ratings than anything MLB does during that same time. Of course people in those local areas might care, but I do not see Network TV trying to cover the great Sox and Yankees pre-season battle. Fox, CBS and NBC put the NFL on Primetime TV during the pre-season. I guess you have to have nostalgia to not make network TV during games that do not count.

Peace

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well the fact is that MLB Playoffs did not get an audience to watch their sport over a regular season NFL game with both teams from small markets and one of the teams without a win.

It's pointless reiterating something for the umpteenth time when you lack the ability to understand numbers. The Super Bowl is one single event marketed to the hilt. It's shown on a Sunday night--the single biggest prime time of the week. The World Series is shown on from 4 to 7 nights, only one of which can possibly even be a Sunday.

When you go shopping, you really DO have a hard time distinguishing between apples and oranges, don't you?

The facts are also that at the HS level, it is the 4th on the list of popularity.

Again, a statement skewn by numbers. Math wasn't your best subject was it? Jeesh!

Oh, did I mention that NFL Pre-season games that play on National TV also have higher ratings than anything MLB does during that same time.

That is really a stupid comment that is borne of a lack of knowledge and logic. Seriously. It's been explained multiple times here. You exhibit poor logic in reaching a false conclusion. Think about that and you might realize why. You don't get it; you just don't get it.

My 8-year-old niece could better understand things.

As would a wall.