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tcblue13 Thu Sep 27, 2007 05:55pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN
Richie Phillips, where have you gone?

What!!!???

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:54pm

Crew for tonight's Padres/Brewers game:

PU - Brian Runge
1B - John Hirshbeck
2B - Bruce Froemming
3B - Mark Wegner

GarthB Thu Sep 27, 2007 09:31pm

Like I said, times have changed. If the Haller/Weaver tete a tete happened today, Haller would be suspended for saying "F*ck you, Earl."

Umpires, players and managers all had salty language and no one cried to mommy about it and no one lied about it, playing the race card. The San Diego first base coach set a new low for rats.

No more. MLB wants the umpires to clean up their act. Unfortunately F*cking pieces of sh!t like Bradley don't have to, but that's the game today. The umpires have been put on notice and they will simply have to play the game under the new rules.

Have I used profanity? Sure. I've told whining adult league batters to shut up and get in the f*ckin' box more than once. Suspend me.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by msavakinas
including the phrase get back in the f***in dugout before i toss your a**.

Nothing wrong with saying this in a shaving age game (non-HS).

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Originally Posted by msavakinas
I guess i didn't call them a piece of sh*t though. so there is a difference.

And therein lies my point exactly.

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Originally Posted by Garth
Sure. I've told whining adult league batters to shut up and get in the f*ckin' box more than once.

Who hasn't? Not the same as calling someone a dirty, disgusting name.

GarthB Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Who hasn't? Not the same as calling someone a dirty, disgusting name.

Sorry, Steve. I don't find, in the context of a heated exchange on the field, POS to be a dirty digusting name.

Umpires, managers and players have referred to one another by that name for years. Usually, however, umpires didn't initiate it, they repeated it in their replies.

I am not blaming Bradley for what Winter's did, but I agee that had Bradley not charged Winters and had the first base coach not lied, this would not have risen to the level it has.

But the fact is, it has risen to higher level and Winters must pay the consequences of his action.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:41pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Umpires, managers and players have referred to one another by that name for year. Usually, however, umpires didn't initiate it, they repeated it in their replies.

I've thought it many times. I've almost blurted it out a few times too. But I never actually said what was on my mind. I always managed to either bite my tongue or say it in a way that was not offensive personally.

GarthB Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:05pm

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Originally Posted by msavakinas
Which is worse?

Tough call. One, for 99% of the population is a physical impossibility. The other is a vivid description that applies to certain individuals. How about combining them? "Hey you F***ing piece of sh!t, go F*** yourself."

That works. I think I'll send Bradley a get well card with a special message.

RPatrino Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:56pm

I only once lowered myself to the level of swearing at a player in an "adult" league game. I balked the pitcher, who had a reputation of being a no talent whiner. His first response was to come off the mound and get in my face, telling me "you're a blind MF'er, and that youdon't know WTF your're doing". My response was, " well, you're a gone MF'er, and I"m a much better umpire then you are a pitcher".

I turned and walked away. His team mates escorted him off the field, he got in his car and drove away.

LomUmp Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:27am

Hey all,

The way I see it, Bradley did something wrong, but not enough for ejection. Later, Bradley initiates a situation, Winters escalated it, Bradley blows up.

Winters deserved a punishment for the escalation, Bradley got what he deserved for blowing up.

Umpires, especially at the MLB level, should not, and apparantly cannot, go onto the field with total immunity from their actions.

Maybe I am alone in this, but I think Meachum should get some sort of punishment for the LYING, not once, but two or three times, about what took place in the process of an investigation, as well.

LomUmp:cool:

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 02:40am

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I think you are acting like such a homer you are not even paying attention to what anyone is really saying.
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I think you are acting like such a homer you are not even paying attention to what anyone is really saying.
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
That is just too stupid for words, so I won't waste any.



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Originally Posted by JRutledge
It must not be too stupid, you responded. ;)

Peace

Why does this remind me of two crippled frogs battling over a dead fly? Why? Why?

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 02:42am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Tough call. One, for 99% of the population is a physical impossibility. The other is a vivid description that applies to certain individuals. How about combining them? "Hey you F***ing piece of sh!t, go F*** yourself."

That works. I think I'll send Bradley a get well card with a special message.

I understand he has a grrl and boyfriend.

Just trying to save you postage. :(

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:06am

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Originally Posted by fitump56
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I think you are acting like such a homer you are not even paying attention to what anyone is really saying.
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by JRutledge
I think you are acting like such a homer you are not even paying attention to what anyone is really saying.
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
That is just too stupid for words, so I won't waste any.




Why does this remind me of two crippled frogs battling over a dead fly? Why? Why?

Uh, because you're really weird?

UmpJM Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:40am

Hmmmm....

The worst thing I have ever said to a participant in a game I was working was, "SHUT UP!". (To an assistant assistant coach keeping score who felt compelled to insert himself into a conversation I was having with the head coach.)

I generally try to be more polite than that. But hey, I'm still pretty new at this.

JM

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 09:51pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
MLB wants the umpires to clean up their act. Unfortunately F*cking pieces of sh!t like Bradley don't have to, but that's the game today. The umpires have been put on notice and they will simply have to play the game under the new rules.

The rules haven't changed if you bring your head instead of your ego to the park. Why for the life of me do senior, experienced umpires - let me amend that, in fairness, I don't know how much ball you have called but you sound so old - who should have their act together get all hung up shouting expletives and acting out just like the whiny players. They have zero authority, you have all the authority. The whole affair is laughable, or ought to be.

To quote you "rats" is the term, yes? So your advice is to scurry right on down into their holes with them? :p

My goodness.

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:31pm

Originally Posted by GarthB
MLB wants the umpires to clean up their act. Unfortunately F*cking pieces of sh!t like Bradley don't have to, but that's the game today. The umpires have been put on notice and they will simply have to play the game under the new rules.

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Originally Posted by fitump56
The rules haven't changed if you bring your head instead of your ego to the park. Why for the life of me to senior, expereinced umpires - let me amend that, in fairness, I don't know how much ball you have called but you sound so old - who should have their act togetherget all hung up shouting expletives and acting out just like the whiny players. They have zero authority, you have all the authority. The whole affair is laughable, or ought to be.

To quote you "rats" is the term, yes? So your advice is to scurry right on down into their holes with them? :p

My goodness.

Again, just for Garth.


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