Lightening

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by azscump9

There is no such thing as heat lightning.

Why would you say such a thing? What nonsense.

It's true that what is called "heat lightning" has nothing to do with temperature ... but there is such a thing - it refers to lightning that is far enough away that the light is reflected, refracted, etc enough to appear to be just one big area of light, instead of a bolt - and unless the thunderclap is within 30 seconds, it's pretty far away (could be 30-50 miles if conditions are right). The "rolling" sound you hear is actually the sound of the thunder rebounding between the clouds and ground before it reaches you, so you hear it in a wave of sound instead of a short burst.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Why would you say such a thing? What nonsense.

It's true that what is called "heat lightning" has nothing to do with temperature ... but there is such a thing - it refers to lightning that is far enough away that the light is reflected, refracted, etc enough to appear to be just one big area of light, instead of a bolt - and unless the thunderclap is within 30 seconds, it's pretty far away (could be 30-50 miles if conditions are right). The "rolling" sound you hear is actually the sound of the thunder rebounding between the clouds and ground before it reaches you, so you hear it in a wave of sound instead of a short burst.

He was responding toa "it's only heat lightning" and I don't think he meant it the way you seem to have taken it. He meant it really is lightning, not some harmless light in the sky as the "heat lightning" believers seem to think.

It may be reflected and refracted and far away but it is still lightning.

[Rich Ives]

We have a weather radio and a SkyScan lightning detector. (If the cable provider was kinder we'd have the Weather Channel so we could see the radar). The radio has a really obnoxious alarm when storm warnings are issued. You have to listen to see if it's near you.

The SkyScan is set for 8-20 miles. If it goes off we clear the fields.

A Florida poster on eteamz said his park has a "pro" system that automatically sets off lightning sirens. The system also sounds an "all clear". It takes the human element out of the equation.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

A Florida poster on eteamz said his park has a "pro" system that automatically sets off lightning sirens. The system also sounds an "all clear". It takes the human element out of the equation.

It doesn't take the human element out, since someone is still deciding to use the system and to follow its recommendations.

The system just adds a corporation to the list of people to sue when someone gets hurt.

For all I know, the thing works as advertised and minimizes risk; I'm just sayin.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by mbyron

It doesn't take the human element out, since someone is still deciding to use the system and to follow its recommendations.

The system just adds a corporation to the list of people to sue when someone gets hurt.

For all I know, the thing works as advertised and minimizes risk; I'm just sayin.

I like the way you're thinking...I might have an associate position opening just for you in my firm.

[BretMan]

The NOAA web site would seem to indicate that the 30/30 version of the ligtning safety rule IS NOT what they endorse.

The guideline published there is the "hear or see thunder, wait thirty minutes" rule.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/overview.htm

See the last "bullet-pointed" item.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BretMan

The NOAA web site would seem to indicate that the 30/30 version of the ligtning safety rule IS NOT what they endorse.

The guideline published there is the "hear or see thunder, wait thirty minutes" rule.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/overview.htm

See the last "bullet-pointed" item.

1. NOAA created the fist 30/30 rule
2. The last bullet provides the "ultimate" procedure, in the words of the local Weather Station supervisor. "The 30/30 plan is a practical and easy to remember procedure we recommend other associations use.

[johnSandlin]

crowder,

If I wanted a science lesson, I would have emailed a local television station in my area and talked their weather person.

Plus, you can have either or. It just happened at my house not 48 hours ago before a storm blew through. There was just lightning for a while with no thunder. Then, there was no lightning, but thunder was heard.

You do not need one to have the other. This is an officiating forum and not a science class.

I was merely stating a statement that was posted on our state's athletic association website.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by lawump

I like the way you're thinking...I might have an associate position opening just for you in my firm.

The name of said firm wouldn't be Dewey, Cheatum and Howe would it?

[canadaump6]

Jurassic Troll wrote:
Thank you for enlightning us.

He contributed more than you ever have! And yes I get the pun. Good one.

Also, I am going to point out a rule that SDS, Garth, mbcrowder, SAump and ptmac are unaware of:

3.10 c:
The umpire-in-chief shall be the sole judge as to whether and when play shall be suspended during a game because of unsuitable weather conditions or the unfit condition of the playing field; as to whether and when the play shall be resumed after such suspension; and as to whether and when a game shall be terminated after such suspension. He shall not call the game until at least thirty minutes after he has suspended play. He may continue the suspension as long as he believes there is any chance to resume play.

They believed that the base umpire has a say in whether or not a game should be suspended due to inclimate weather, but they were ignorant to the rule book in this case.

[mick]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Jurassic Troll wrote:
Thank you for enlightning us.

He contributed more than you ever have! And yes I get the pun. Good one.

Also, I am going to point out a rule that SDS, Garth, mbcrowder, SAump and ptmac are unaware of:

3.10 c:
The umpire-in-chief shall be the sole judge as to whether and when play shall be suspended during a game because of unsuitable weather conditions or the unfit condition of the playing field; as to whether and when the play shall be resumed after such suspension; and as to whether and when a game shall be terminated after such suspension. He shall not call the game until at least thirty minutes after he has suspended play. He may continue the suspension as long as he believes there is any chance to resume play.

They believed that the base umpire has a say in whether or not a game should be suspended due to inclimate weather, but they were ignorant to the rule book in this case.

You are reading the rule book but missing the acceptable practices, procedures and nuances of baseball. The users you list do know everything you know but their knowledge is not limited to your one weakly written book.
The rule book is not to be taken so literally as you think. It is only a small part of the story.
Pick your fights wisely. This thread is locked.

[azscump9]

Agreed that "heat lightning" may be a misnomer, but as we were told at an NCAA meeting is that any lightning is dangerous. Lighting has been know to stike up to 30 miles away from a storm. So if you see it off in the distance, but hear no thunder, it should peek you interest and awareness of the impending situation

[mbyron]

According to mhsaa.com, you've violated their copyright. Please don't post copyrighted material to the forum - a link will do.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

If I am making errorous statements, well then here is what I went from.

Here are you erroneous statements:

1. Plus, you can have either or.

2. You do not need one to have the other.

3. I was merely stating a statement that was posted on our state's athletic association website. (No where on that site do the first two statements reside.)