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[JeremyByrd]

This last weekend I was working a 14U and 15U tournament. As you guys know I do 8-10 games a weekend and no doubt at the end of those two days the tolerance wears down. I wanted to make sure that I was within reason to run this coach.

The coach was arguing a fairly uneventful play that I'm not sure why he was even arguing as he never told me. What he said to me when he came out to argue was, "That's horse****. The only reason you made that call is because you are friends with the coach." I immediately ran him for questioning my integrity and character. It seems to be pretty obvious and my assignor agreed but there were a few umpires that said they would have walked away. Was I too quick or are they not quick enough? I guess he said this because I shook the one coaches hand. He came out to apologize because when I had them the week before he was out of hand and felt the need to apologize for it.

Don't hold back.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JeremyByrd

This last weekend I was working a 14U and 15U tournament. As you guys know I do 8-10 games a weekend and no doubt at the end of those two days the tolerance wears down. I wanted to make sure that I was within reason to run this coach.

The coach was arguing a fairly uneventful play that I'm not sure why he was even arguing as he never told me. What he said to me when he came out to argue was, "That's horse****. The only reason you made that call is because you are friends with the coach." I immediately ran him for questioning my integrity and character. It seems to be pretty obvious and my assignor agreed but there were a few umpires that said they would have walked away. Was I too quick or are they not quick enough? I guess he said this because I shook the one coaches hand. He came out to apologize because when I had that time the week before he was out of hand and felt the need to apologize for it.

Don't hold back.

The umpires that would've walked away are gutless turds. How's that for not holding back?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JeremyByrd

What he said to me when he came out to argue was, "That's horse****. The only reason you made that call is because you are friends with the coach." I immediately ran him for questioning my integrity and character. It seems to be pretty obvious and my assignor agreed but there were a few umpires that said they would have walked away. Was I too quick or are they not quick enough?

He should have been gone after he said the word "friends" and before he said "with". That would have been quick enough.

Those who would have walked away are those who brag, "I haven't had an ejection in ten years", as if it were a good thing.

[piaa_ump]

"That's horse****. The only reason you made that call is because you are friends with the coach."


Instant ejection, first game or last game..............never allow your integrity to be questioned................

in my opinion totally justified ejection and I would have serious concerns about a partner who felt that was not ejection worthy........

[waltjp]

Can't echo this enough. If someone questions your integrity they're gone.

[btdt]

As an easy going type, most of the time...
instant ejection.
That is unless you don't want to make him feel bad. I guess you could ask him how can I make this problem go away with out hurting your feelings.
Of course you won't have any contol left, but the coach will feel good, he has contol of you.

[ChucktownBlue]

Originally Posted by SAump

What if you were friends with the other coach.
How did he question your integrity or character?
What if he follows the instructions given at the plate meeting.
Your actions may have appeared to validate his opinion.
Appears you were in a hurry to end the meeting.

Sure, you may justify it to yourself; but did you justify it to him?
How about, "Coach, what are you doing out here?" or "What is it you want to complain about?"
Followed by, "Sorry I failed to see it like that." and "Let's play ball." or a proper ejection for conduct worthy of ejection.

PS: Haven't ejected anybody this year {enuf said}.

Coach comes out....
"That's a horse... call blue!" His opinion.
"You're friends with the coach!" Could be.

"The only reason you made that call was because you're friends with the coach!"
Bu-Bye. How is this NOT questioning his integrity? What a joke!

"You're a blind sack of sh... who wouldn't know a strike if it hit you in the forehead!" Hmmm... I didn't tell him not to call me a blind sack of sh.. at the plate meeting. He requested time before coming out to yell at me. He's not really arguing balls and strikes, but rather I wouldn't know it if one hit me in the forehead (which I probably wouldn't since I'd be stunned by the pitch). Guess he gets to stay, even though I now have no credibility, given up any respect from players and coaches, forfeited any control of the game, let everyone know I'm a joke as an umpire, and have now let this coach know his words/actions are perfectly acceptable.

I've known those who brag about their vast number of ejections, and I've known those who brag about never having any ejections. I question the competency of both.

[JeremyByrd]

SA,
I asked for the experts opinions, not sure why you responded?
just kidding

I can see your points. I would eject for that comment any time I heard it. I see the differences in "but you are friends with the coach" and "the only reason you made that call is because you are friends with the coach" and I hope you can see that also.

I understand that coaches need to defend their players and the team. I feel he went too far with his argument.

[TussAgee11]

I'm winding it once he says "Bull****" if it is more than just a mere emotional reaction as soon as the call is made.. Profane, thanks for taking part in the game today Skip.

Had an ejection tonight for the wiseass 16 year old who wanted to draw a line in the dirt on a pitch that had the corner. Then heard it for about 2 innings from his Poppy. It got to the point where I really had to do some "Serenity Now" just to keep myself focused.

But you know what they say, serenity now, insanity later.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I'm winding it once he says "Bull****" if it is more than just a mere emotional reaction as soon as the call is made.. Profane, thanks for taking part in the game today Skip.

Had an ejection tonight for the wiseass 16 year old who wanted to draw a line in the dirt on a pitch that had the corner. Then heard it for about 2 innings from his Poppy. It got to the point where I really had to do some "Serenity Now" just to keep myself focused.

But you know what they say, serenity now, insanity later.

Bullsh!t is just an adjective to me, unless it's preceded with the word "you're." You'd really toss an adult coach for saying "that's bullsh!t"?

[TussAgee11]

If he came all the way out of his dugout, came up to me, and said "bull****", that is a calculated move on his part. More than any emotional initial reaction. Yes, I'd toss him, especially at lower level games.

If he came out and said "that's bull****" in a tone where nobody else could hear, and I deemed it out of simple frustration, then I may keep him in the game until he says that bit about friends with the coach.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by ChucktownBlue

I've known those who brag about their vast number of ejections, and I've known those who brag about never having any ejections. I question the competency of both.

you QUESTION those with many EJs and those with NO EJs?


whos LEFT?


isnt that a NULL SET or something?

[ChucktownBlue]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

you QUESTION those with many EJs and those with NO EJs?


whos LEFT?


isnt that a NULL SET or something?

Those with SOME EJs.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by ChucktownBlue

Those with SOME EJs.

so whats the MAGIC number? "some??" 10? 50? 25? you keep TRACK of this?

at what number of EJs do you START 'respecting' fellow umpires?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

so whats the MAGIC number?

Exactly the number that I have.

Those with fewer are "LL" milquetoasts who couldn't umpire their way out of a paper bag and leave a mess for the others who come later to clean up.

Those who have more are thin-skinned, red-asses who are obsessed with the power of umpiring and think the game is all about them.