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njdevs00cup Sun Jun 24, 2007 09:20am

Little League Slide Rule
 
At what point does a player in Little League have to slide into a base? Does a fielder have to possess the ball?

Rich Ives Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:01am

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
At what point does a player in Little League have to slide into a base? Does a fielder have to possess the ball?


He NEVER has to slide.


7.08 -- Any runner is out when -(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

GarthB Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:30am

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
At what point does a player in Little League have to slide into a base? Does a fielder have to possess the ball?


Try this: http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/obrrules/

AKA Little League Umpire.howcome

BigUmp56 Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:33am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Try this: http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/obrrules/

AKA Little League Umpire.howcome

I thought Rich did a fine job of answering the question on this forum.


Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:43am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Try this: http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/obrrules/

AKA Little League Umpire.howcome

Where is it written or specified that no one is allowed to ask a Little League question? Did this become your private forum all of a sudden, where only shaving age questions are asked?

GarthB Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:51am

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
I thought Rich did a fine job of answering the question on this forum.


Tim.

Not knowing LL rules, I'll take your word for it.

GarthB Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:57am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Where is it written or specified that no one is allowed to ask a Little League question? Did this become your private forum all of a sudden, where only shaving age questions are asked?


No, just nostalgic. This forum, before your arrival, was started as place where non-LL umpires could gather and discuss issues relevant to them. Some of us were specifically recruited to come here from other sites with that promise.

Ahhhhh. The good ol' days.

BigUmp56 Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
No, just nostalgic. This forum, before your arrival, was started as place where non-LL umpires could gather and discuss issues relevant to them. Some of us were specifically recruited to come here from other sites with that promise.

Ahhhhh. The good ol' days.


Ahhh, yes, the site for "real umpires." Was this to be exclusive of just LL umpires, or all youth league umpires?


Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:08pm

Unfortunately for your grand plans, there are far more youth league umpires than HS, NCAA, and pro umpires combined. You should have realized that eventually the tide would turn.

BigUmp56 Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Unfortunately for your grand plans, there are far more youth league umpires than HS, NCAA, and pro umpires combined. You should have realized that eventually the tide would turn.

Not only are there more youth league umpires, they're the ones most in need of getting help from an outlet like OF. How many myths have been disspelled because of this forum........


Tim.

Illini_Ref Mon Jun 25, 2007 07:25am

I find it interesting that LL uses "slide or attempt to get around", instead of "slide or avoid contact". In theory could a LLer make contact with a fielder with the ball as long as he was "attempting" to get around said fielder?

The rule is obviously there for safety reasons. I think it should say "a fielder in possession of the ball or awaiting an impending play". As long as it isn't malicious, a LLer can make contact as long as the ball is not in the glove of the fielder.

bob jenkins Mon Jun 25, 2007 07:28am

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Not only are there more youth league umpires, they're the ones most in need of getting help from an outlet like OF. How many myths have been disspelled because of this forum........


Tim.

Approximately zero.

aceholleran Mon Jun 25, 2007 07:31am

I think it's important to welcome any and all umpires
 
I'm not the best, but in 30+ years, I've done everything from Li'l Squirts to a summer, college/20-something/ex-pro league.

I do think that some of us can get a little uppity with newbies or ones who have LL questions.

Can't we all live together?

Ace

Rich Ives Mon Jun 25, 2007 09:13am

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Originally Posted by Illini_Ref
I find it interesting that LL uses "slide or attempt to get around", instead of "slide or avoid contact". In theory could a LLer make contact with a fielder with the ball as long as he was "attempting" to get around said fielder?

The rule is obviously there for safety reasons. I think it should say "a fielder in possession of the ball or awaiting an impending play". As long as it isn't malicious, a LLer can make contact as long as the ball is not in the glove of the fielder.

Because the runner's entitled to attempt to run the bases and get to the base. The rule applies everywhere, not just at home or at a base. And if the tag attempt is away from a base (in a rundown for example) you don't want to always require a slide then do you? You need an alternative.

Yes, he could make contact while going around. But, if the runner starts to go around and the fielder moves into his path and "causes" the contact you don't want the onus on the runner - do you?

Do you want to require runners to give up?

Illini_Ref Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:11am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
Because the runner's entitled to attempt to run the bases and get to the base. The rule applies everywhere, not just at home or at a base. And if the tag attempt is away from a base (in a rundown for example) you don't want to always require a slide then do you? You need an alternative.

Yes, he could make contact while going around. But, if the runner starts to go around and the fielder moves into his path and "causes" the contact you don't want the onus on the runner - do you?

Do you want to require runners to give up?

No, I just want them to slide or avoid contact. If contact is made it should be done while sliding, with some exceptions. For instance if the play is well up the line, the runner is not going to slide or if the fielder initiates contact. I just like the "avoid contact" ruling better, that's all.


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