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Little League Slide Rule
At what point does a player in Little League have to slide into a base? Does a fielder have to possess the ball?
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He NEVER has to slide. 7.08 -- Any runner is out when -(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag; |
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Try this: http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/obrrules/ AKA Little League Umpire.howcome |
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Tim. |
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No, just nostalgic. This forum, before your arrival, was started as place where non-LL umpires could gather and discuss issues relevant to them. Some of us were specifically recruited to come here from other sites with that promise. Ahhhhh. The good ol' days. |
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Ahhh, yes, the site for "real umpires." Was this to be exclusive of just LL umpires, or all youth league umpires? Tim. |
Unfortunately for your grand plans, there are far more youth league umpires than HS, NCAA, and pro umpires combined. You should have realized that eventually the tide would turn.
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Tim. |
I find it interesting that LL uses "slide or attempt to get around", instead of "slide or avoid contact". In theory could a LLer make contact with a fielder with the ball as long as he was "attempting" to get around said fielder?
The rule is obviously there for safety reasons. I think it should say "a fielder in possession of the ball or awaiting an impending play". As long as it isn't malicious, a LLer can make contact as long as the ball is not in the glove of the fielder. |
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I think it's important to welcome any and all umpires
I'm not the best, but in 30+ years, I've done everything from Li'l Squirts to a summer, college/20-something/ex-pro league.
I do think that some of us can get a little uppity with newbies or ones who have LL questions. Can't we all live together? Ace |
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Yes, he could make contact while going around. But, if the runner starts to go around and the fielder moves into his path and "causes" the contact you don't want the onus on the runner - do you? Do you want to require runners to give up? |
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I'm curious what rules set provides that a runner must "slide or avoid contact"? The LL rule where a runner must slide or attempt to get around a fielder is essentially the same as FED "does not legally slide or attempt to avoid a fielder. Tim. |
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Example: I have not umpired LL in quite some time but my Summer assignor has the Contract for some 50 LL BIG League games. LL has institututed many new rules or changed rules througout the years so I asked some specific questions on that Forum ie; LL Rule 7.14 (Special Pinch runner rule) Also, items such as Can the coach warm up F1. Pitch count limits etc. etc. that unless you SPECIFICALLY umpire LL you would have no clue about. They were very helpful The tournament rules are also different. Hey speaking of the tournament where's Dave with his infamous Chart for LL All Stars? Therefore, in a nutshell IMO it's not about ego but directing posters to the BEST place that can answer their question(s). Pete Booth |
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Believe it or not, Pete, there are quite a few very knowledgable members here that can and do answer LL specific questions just as well as at any other forum. Tim. |
Hmmm,
See I am much like Garth. I enjoy sites that allow small diamond umpires the choice of posting in a specific "small diamond" area (if they would only use that option).
I never hidden my ultimate dislike of small diamond baseball. Elitist or not matters not too me . . . I just "like" sites where we talk of full sized games played by shaving aged players. eTeamZ seems to be the perfect place for small diamond umpires to get the correct information from people that treasure the opportunity to umpire (and coach) in that environment. Regards, |
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Tim. |
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Using the phrase "attempt to avoid" makes far more sense. It keeps the onus on the runner, but recognizes reality. |
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Just because someone says, "Little League," doesn't necessarily mean it's a small diamond topic. It can also very much pertain to big diamond big-boy baseball. In some parts of the country, Little League's 16-18-year-old division is just as competitive as some amateur-independent leagues. |
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I'm not actually planning on officiating different rule codes, but I'm fascinated by the additional insight they give to the rules and standards of baseball. I'm sure that I'm a better LL umpire from reading (and very occasionally posting) to this site. In any case, as you're well aware by now, it's hard to keep the riffraff out of a publicly accessible internet forum. But there are any number of sites that allow anybody to create a private message board and exclude me. I hope you don't completely leave the public internet; you'll be missed. |
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Simply put, none of the 3 rule sets (OBR, NCAA & FED) dare to put a runner in the dirt for any reason. The spin offs (LL, Babe Ruth) also do not force a runner into the dirt. Only idiotic "local rule" jerks try force players to slide thinking that it will do something (what I still haven't figured out in over 40 years) to help the game! The best advice I can give you is simple, work within the rule set's definition for FPSR, illegal slide, or malicious contact. There you will find the proper instructions for when a runner should get down (runner's choice) and whether said slide will be accepted. To do otherwise is just asking for trouble! Regards |
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Sometimes, it's nice to open the door to the lounge and allow people to listen to the conversations that go on there. In your case, my friend, you left way too quickly and you'll always be welcome back. |
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I think that guy may have made it into the second inning. |
As it turns out, the Eteamz site is all screwed up. Many people can't log in and post there these days, including me. So I suspect, particularly as tournament season heats up, we'll be seeing more traffic here from Little League folks. Brace yourselves.
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A very credible site. |
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That's still beside the point. The log-in failures at Eteamz may unleash a torrent of small diamond umpires searching the Internet for a place to ask their questions as the tournament progresses. I expect an influx of traffic both here and at umpire.org. |
Ew. .........
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