Struck Out to 1st Base!?

[ocebe]

Thanks a lot for help!

[waltjp]

A batter is not retired when he swings and misses or takes a called third strike. He is retired when the pitch is caught by the catcher or he is put out at first base if the pitch is not caught. As others have noted, the pitcher is credited with a strikeout.

[BoomerSooner]

The most interesting way that this was explained to me, and it makes a lot of sense, but is that to have an out, the ball has to be caught (or possessed) by the defense completing the out. Essentially, every normal put out results in from a ball being caught (or possessed) by a defender. Of course the obvious exceptions would be the various forms of interference (runner hit by a batted ball, interfering with the catcher or another fielder, etc). With the exception of the interference issues, a dropped/uncaught ball, whether on a third strike, a tag play, or an attempted force out is never an out.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

... a dropped/uncaught ball, whether on a third strike, a tag play, or an attempted force out is never an out.

I couldn't disagree more.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

I couldn't disagree more.

What is the basis of your disagreement? I know there are exceptions and that the person that taught me this was using a fairly broad generalization, which I accounted for by saying "with the exception". I know its over complicated, but as I said it was just a generalization.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

What is the basis of your disagreement? I know there are exceptions and that the person that taught me this was using a fairly broad generalization, which I accounted for by saying "with the exception". I know its over complicated, but as I said it was just a generalization.

If there are less than 2 outs and first base is occupied, batter is always out on third strike.

This is more to clarify for those non-umpires viewing this thread.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

If there are less than 2 outs and first base is occupied, batter is always out on third strike.

This is more to clarify for those non-umpires viewing this thread.

Appears that the catcher in my game last nigh (adult, wood-bat) knew this rule but forgot what happens when there's an uncaught third strike with 2 out and a runner on first. In other words the catcher just picked up the ball and watched as the batter and runner each advanced a base.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

If there are less than 2 outs and first base is occupied, batter is always out on third strike.

This is more to clarify for those non-umpires viewing this thread.

Thank you for catching me making a significant brain fart. I'm hoping there aren't too many other exceptions. If there are, the original idea I presented wasn't my own creation anyway, so I'm using that as an cop out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

What is the basis of your disagreement? I know there are exceptions and that the person that taught me this was using a fairly broad generalization, which I accounted for by saying "with the exception". I know its over complicated, but as I said it was just a generalization.

"Generalizations" are supposed to be simple. An "over-complicated generalization" is an oxymoron.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

The most interesting way that this was explained to me, and it makes a lot of sense, but is that to have an out, the ball has to be caught (or possessed) by the defense completing the out. Essentially, every normal put out results in from a ball being caught (or possessed) by a defender. Of course the obvious exceptions would be the various forms of interference (runner hit by a batted ball, interfering with the catcher or another fielder, etc). With the exception of the interference issues, a dropped/uncaught ball, whether on a third strike, a tag play, or an attempted force out is never an out.

Wow, what a complicated way to look at a simple rule.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

to have an out, the ball has to be caught by the defense completing the out. a dropped/uncaught ball, whether on a third strike, a tag play, or an attempted force out is never an out.

Seems pretty simple to me.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by waltjp

He is retired when the pitch is caught by the catcher or he is put out at first base if the pitch is not caught.

How about also out if he is tagged by the catcher with the ball.?

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

How about also out if he is tagged by the catcher with the ball.?

Yeah, yeah...don't you have a paper to work on???

[FTVMartin]

I had a pitcher record 5 K's in an inning tonight. 2 of the batters who K'd came around to score. Needless to say, many curveballs in the dirt tonight.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Yeah, yeah...don't you have a paper to work on???

I have so much homework I'm just sick about it!