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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 08:37am
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First of all, it's hard to get a good grasp on game management issues because many of them involve YHTBT type comments and tone. That being said...

You call a balk and skip comes out of the dugout and asks for an explaination. Do not have 90' conversations with a manager. If he really wants an explaination, he'll come to you to get it. If you keep your raised voice to ball, strike, safe, out and the like, you seem much more professional. Ignore him until he wants to have a discussion.

F1 hits a batter and yells from the mound, "That was a strike!" I wouldn't run him but I'd make it very clear that I was not going to be yelled at by a 16 year old wanna-be. About half way to the mound, I'd say something like, "I'll be back here all game long, you don't wanna be on my bad side!"

Now skip is chirping about balls and strikes from the coaches box. This one is tough. If he's not really yelling too loud or leaving his position, what do you do? Maybe a laser stare, or a, "that'll do," just loud enough for him to hear. Then a discussion between innings about what he can and can't do. I usually say something like, "If you start arguing balls and strikes, I must eject you, you understand that right?" Use a matter-of-fact tone, not threatening.

You overhear his plans of being ejected. I hope you informed your partner of this rat's plans. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but if I were to hear that... No way is he going anywhere! Short of a bump or really losing his mind, he's staying. He'll cross the line and you can bet his players will follow, they start going... he stays, the whole long game!

Bottom line, we all meet coaches who just don't get it. And we also run in to coaches and players who for whatever reason, just cross the line. The key is to give yourself an honest post game critique, and learn from it. These are the ways I probably would have handled this manager... but that's just me!
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 09:16am
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F1 hits a batter and yells from the mound, "That was a strike!" I wouldn't run him but I'd make it very clear that I was not going to be yelled at by a 16 year old wanna-be. About half way to the mound, I'd say something like, "I'll be back here all game long, you don't wanna be on my bad side!"

Not bad, but I think I would have called time to dust the plate, quietly tell the catcher to go talk to his pitcher and tell him that "If he let's me umpire I will let him stay in the game".
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 10:10am
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Or,

You could do a "Bill Miller":

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"Do you want to get into my business?"

(PAUSE)

"DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO MY BUSINESS?"

(PAUSE)

"Do you want to argue balls and strikes?"

(PAUSE)

"JOHNNY, DO YOU WANT TO ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES?"

"Mumble, mumble" from off camera.

KAPOW!!! Damon's gone.

Well, you cudda done it that way . . .

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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 11:18am
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You could do a "Bill Miller":

++++++++

"Do you want to get into my business?"

(PAUSE)

"DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO MY BUSINESS?"

(PAUSE)

"Do you want to argue balls and strikes?"

(PAUSE)

"JOHNNY, DO YOU WANT TO ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES?"

"Mumble, mumble" from off camera.

KAPOW!!! Damon's gone.

Well, you cudda done it that way . . .

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Heh, heh, heh! Love that ejection!

Regards back!
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 03:23pm
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Heh, heh, heh! Love that ejection!

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Agreed, that was F'n funny.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 11:21pm
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"Are you arguing balls and strikes?" is a question I have used on a number of occassions. Some will shut up and some will open their mouth and admit they are, which get's them tossed. Call it baiting if you want, but if the dummy is stupid enough to answer yes he deserves the toss.
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Old Tue Jun 19, 2007, 12:33am
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"Are you arguing balls and strikes?" is a question I have used on a number of occassions. Some will shut up and some will open their mouth and admit they are, which get's them tossed. Call it baiting if you want, but if the dummy is stupid enough to answer yes he deserves the toss.
I think the real problem with asking such a question is it opens the door for a myriad of responses that could leave you in an untenable position, and it shifts both focus and control to the responder. A wily coach will seize the opportunity. I think it's wiser to avoid giving him the chance.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2007, 10:32am
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You overhear his plans of being ejected. I hope you informed your partner of this rat's plans. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but if I were to hear that... No way is he going anywhere! Short of a bump or really losing his mind, he's staying. He'll cross the line and you can bet his players will follow, they start going... he stays, the whole long game!
I don't care for this approach. If he buys his ticket out of the game, let him take his ride. What about going to the coach, leting him know what the player said and explaining that the trip will be for two if it comes?
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2007, 11:33am
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Funny, Garth, but out of bounds.

Ridiculing fellow umpires--which happens on all boards--is babbling I don't brook.

Tuss, I do agree with most of the others on the "are you going to argue?" sitch. Simply put: Don't ask a coach a question like that.

I will usually give a terse explanation on a call like your balk. No conference, no time out. A civil rodent might get a more throrough explanation between innings.

If I hear someone say he wants to get tossed. I will quietly go over to him and grant him his EJ as quietly as possible, sparing him the "motivation" he wants to give his team.

IMHO: Too many ump-coach conversations. Try to be more curt, crisp, concise.

Relax, take a deep breath and let the rats make the mistakes. Then react.
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2007, 12:59pm
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Well, I'll be doggone -- Ace Holleran. There's a name I haven't seen in a dog's age. They still let you umpire in Connecticut? Good to see you.
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2007, 03:53pm
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Ace Holleran, from board's past?
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2007, 07:43pm
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Funny, Garth,
You're right, and in this case, applicable.

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but out of bounds.
Oops, there goes your perfect record.
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