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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 10:00am
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I also took a decent velocity fastball (untouched) straight to the helmet somewhere in the middle of the inning. The ringing gave way to nothing, but I ended up with a pretty decent headache an hour or two later. I felt better later in the day. I'm pretty convinced I would've fared no better with a traditional mask on this shot as it hit right on the bars over my forehead.
I took a decent velocity fast ball, not even waved at by the catcher, straight to the mask last night. The mask spun off, as designed. I felt nothing, heard no ringing and never had a heacache. I'm pretty convinced that I'd have heard a ringing and had a headache an hour or two later had I not given away my HSM.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 10:27am
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I took a decent velocity fast ball, not even waved at by the catcher, straight to the mask last night. The mask spun off, as designed. I felt nothing, heard no ringing and never had a heacache. I'm pretty convinced that I'd have heard a ringing and had a headache an hour or two later had I not given away my HSM.
I'm not sure mine would've fit into that category. It hit at a spot where I don't think the mask would've spun off, but I'm not completely certain, of course.

I did order a new mask last week, so maybe this was just a twist of fate

I still think helmets will dominate the game 10-20 years from now. They certainly did take over the catcher's market pretty quickly.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 10:41am
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I still think helmets will dominate the game 10-20 years from now. They certainly did take over the catcher's market pretty quickly.
I agree that eventuallly HSM's will dominate the activity. I understand that at PBUC the administrators encouraged the candidates to at least give an HSM a try to see if it worked for them. I don't yet know how many have done that.

One of the Evans 20 Honor grads wore an HSM during school, but ditched it prior to going to PBUC.

Most of the talk about masks among the PBUC candidates and instructors centered on the traditional mask and finding the right combination of weight and dependability.
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I have always wondered which provides the best protection. My son who works in the South Atlantic League took a 96MPH foul ball straight back to his West Vest Mask yesterday and suffered a concussion from it. The ball severely bent the bars on his mask.

He has had many discussions with fellow Minor League Umpires and the ones that wear HSM have told him many times that the HSM affords greater protection. He has been reluctant to switch but after yesterday has decided to give the HSM a try.

Not sure which one is better...I guess we will see!

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I suspect that maybe your mask was too tight. They are designed to spread out the energy of an impact - if you got a headache from it, too much of the energy transferred to your head, likely indicating the entire thing was too attached to your head.
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When you work summer ball, will you work mostly two man or one man games?
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:03am
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I suspect that maybe your mask was too tight. They are designed to spread out the energy of an impact - if you got a headache from it, too much of the energy transferred to your head, likely indicating the entire thing was too attached to your head.
To whom is this addressed? The poster reporting the headache was wearing an HSM not a mask.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:56am
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Garth:

I find it interesting that the CDC will release a study this month that calls concussions an "epidemic" at the high school level and lower.

This is why we saw this year in the NFHS Rule Book a POE about head injury trauma and the care.

As the NFL slowly admits to the long term effect of brain injuries to their retired players I believe we are on the edge of a new view of head injuries.

We are currently working on articles for the new NFHS magazine that deals with player head injuries . . . I think baseball umpires would be a great source to review for head injuries to sport officials.

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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:59pm
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To whom is this addressed? The poster reporting the headache was wearing an HSM not a mask.
I understood that. What does the M stand for again?

Should I use the word Helmet instead? If you have too tight a helmet, you're going to feel ALL of the energy of an impact. It shouldn't be loose, but it shouldn't be tight either.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:01am
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I have always wondered which provides the best protection. My son who works in the South Atlantic League took a 96MPH foul ball straight back to his West Vest Mask yesterday and suffered a concussion from it. The ball severely bent the bars on his mask.

He has had many discussions with fellow Minor League Umpires and the ones that wear HSM have told him many times that the HSM affords greater protection. He has been reluctant to switch but after yesterday has decided to give the HSM a try.

Not sure which one is better...I guess we will see!

Mark
If the HSM is ever proven to prevent such injuries, "encouragement" from the leagues, PBUC and insurance carries will speed up their acceptance in pro ball. But so far, there is no evidence that they will do that. The primary safety factor is that they cover more of the head, not that they will prevent of minimize face-on injuries.

I hope you son is okay.

My son recently took the online test to establish his reacton time that will be used as a baseline should he suffer a concussion in the future. It is encouraging to note that PBUC is concerned with the issue.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:51am
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My son recently took the online test to establish his reacton time that will be used as a baseline should he suffer a concussion in the future. It is encouraging to note that PBUC is concerned with the issue.
That's probably one of the best measures of concussions, and great to see that leagues are adopting the testing proactively.
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