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[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Ask Carlton Fisk those questions!

As we learned in Fisk vs. Armbrister, sounds like PU did a nice job here with neither obstruction or interference.

It sounds like the ball wasn't fielded that quickly though, so I'm having a hard time figuring out how PU originally pointed fair but then went for some help. Minor League Game, 3 umpires. We know R3, but what about other runners? Do we have umpires in D AND A here? What foul line was the ball dancing with? I guess PU got screened by a tangling BR, F2, and R3 somehow. Clarification?

-Tuss

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

It sounds like the ball wasn't fielded that quickly though, so I'm having a hard time figuring out how PU originally pointed fair but then went for some help.
-Tuss

From the OP

Ball is up in air in front of home plate. Catcher/batter tangle in a mess, as catcher is trying to field the ball. catcher eventually gets the ball.

I am trying to visualize but we have a "lot" of action at home plate. When the PU first saw the ball it was in Fair territory hence the reason he pointed. Now the most important part catcher eventually gets the ball

In baseball, Fair vs. Foul is determined where the ball is not where the player is. With all the action in front of home plate perhpas the PU did not know exactly where the Ball was when F2 finally got it. As mentioned he pointed fair because at the time he saw the ball in fair territory but then when all the action happened, he wasn't so sure so he called in his partners.

Remember it's much easier to change a Fair call to FOUL then the other way around even though as mentioned on this Forum it has been done.

However the OP also said that the umpires huddled for some 5 / 10 minutes which IMO means that perhaps they amongst themselves could not come up with a difintive call, hence the "failsafe" Foul call because if one of them was sure the ball was Foul, then the conversation between the group should not have lasted as long as it had.

Pete Booth

[canablue05]

Sorry guys I'll clarify. In front of the warzone, ball was in air on first base side. R3 only. U1 is in A. The catcher got the ball, IMO he touched it just in foul territory on first base side.

Zebra...sorry I was referring to the plate umpire not calling anything such as interference, obstruction, catch no catch, on top of the fair signal...

As Pete mentioned, I also thought that the 'foul' call was a failsafe...however from the camera angle, it didn't look like the umpire was screened out on the fair/foul call, but perhaps he got sidetracked with the body of pile up around the dish. The replay also confirmed that indeed it was a foul ball. Thank God.

From my count he had at least four concurrent calls to make!

1. Fair/foul.
2. R3 touch of home plate.
3.Possible interference/obstruction.
4. Catch/No Catch.

Probably not all in that order.

He certainly was earning his money that day.