Legal Play at Home?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

It is? Why?

I am sure it is for safety purposes.

Peace

[blueump]

In every case, the Fed rule book uses the word "dive over" instead of hurdle. Diving over someone is legal if they are laying on the ground. Jumping over a glove or leaping to avoid a tag is not the same as diving over someone.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by blueump

Diving over someone is legal if they are laying on the ground.

Not true.

Hurdling is covered under 8-4-2b.2 "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. (emphasis added) Diving over a fielder is illegal."

A couple of points:

1) Diving is *also* covered under 8-4-2d "Dives over a fielder." There are no exceptions here.

2) The fielder need not be "prone" as someone indicated (and as is often stated). He can be supine, or on his side, etc.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He can be supine, or on his side, etc.

Supine??? Please don't tell me the FED book has this word in there. Regardless, I knew there was a reason I hated FED ball. I just wish I knew what planet they're playing on.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Supine??? Please don't tell me the FED book has this word in there. Regardless, I knew there was a reason I hated FED ball. I just wish I knew what planet they're playing on.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't contain the word "prone" either (at least in regards to this rule).

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true.

Hurdling is covered under 8-4-2b.2 "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. (emphasis added) Diving over a fielder is illegal."

A couple of points:

1) Diving is *also* covered under 8-4-2d "Dives over a fielder." There are no exceptions here.

2) The fielder need not be "prone" as someone indicated (and as is often stated). He can be supine, or on his side, etc.

That's just the feedback or definition I used from what I have opined from the rule. I have never seen it or never had to call it for that matter. I forgot to use the PC term.

Sorry for the use of the word diving, also.

[cshs81]

Please clear up my confusion on the definition of "lying on the ground."

In this case, the catcher went to his knees to block/catch the ball and was in foul territory. He then lunged from his knees towards the baseline and runner. He was NOT lying on his stomach at the time of the attempted tag. Does this fall under "lying on the ground?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by cshs81

Please clear up my confusion on the definition of "lying on the ground."

In this case, the catcher went to his knees to block/catch the ball and was in foul territory. He then lunged from his knees towards the baseline and runner. He was NOT lying on his stomach at the time of the attempted tag. Does this fall under "lying on the ground?"

No. And, if the runner had hurdled the torso or head of the fielder, the runenr would be out. If the runner hurdled the outstretched arms / glove (as I seem to recall happening), then it's a legal play.

[cshs81]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No. And, if the runner had hurdled the torso or head of the fielder, the runenr would be out. If the runner hurdled the outstretched arms / glove (as I seem to recall happening), then it's a legal play.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hurdling is covered under 8-4-2b.2 "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. (emphasis added) Diving over a fielder is illegal."

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Bob, these two quotes seem to be at odds with each other. I'm assuming there is a fine point I'm missing.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure it is for safety purposes.

Peace

No, it's not. It's not illegal at all. My point was poorly made.

OP says, "I know it's illegal..." - I want to know why he thinks that.