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canadaump6 Sat May 19, 2007 06:51pm

Suspended Games
 
I've looked all over my rulebook to try and figure out what happens with the situation I am about to describe, but it doesn't point out what is to happen.

Let's say we are in the 6th inning of a game. Top of the 6th inning, offensive team is down a couple of runs when lightening strikes, the field gets washed out and everybody goes home. Is this a suspended game, or do we cancel out anything that happened in the top of the 6th and only anything that happened before the top of the inning is official?

Could someone point me to a rule reference as well?

DG Sat May 19, 2007 07:07pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
I've looked all over my rulebook to try and figure out what happens with the situation I am about to describe, but it doesn't point out what is to happen.

Let's say we are in the 6th inning of a game. Top of the 6th inning, offensive team is down a couple of runs when lightening strikes, the field gets washed out and everybody goes home. Is this a suspended game, or do we cancel out anything that happened in the top of the 6th and only anything that happened before the top of the inning is official?

Could someone point me to a rule reference as well?

The Official Rules have an index in the back. Under Suspended Games you will find 4.12 is listed.

TwoBits Sat May 19, 2007 07:58pm

You've played 5 complete innings. Under OBR (which I'm pretty sure you're playing under after reading several of your posts, Canadaump), the home team is winning, and the game is official. No need to finish it at a later date.

canadaump6 Sat May 19, 2007 10:09pm

What if the visiting team is batting in the bottom of the 6th, they are down by one, bases loaded, nobody out? You guys have not made it clear what would happen in that situation. Would the score revert to the last completed inning, or would we have to resume the game at a later time? 4.12 does not help with this situation and yes I am well aware that the rulebook has an index at the back (or front in my case).

GarthB Sat May 19, 2007 10:13pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
What if the home team is batting in the top of the 6th...

Only in Canada.

DG Sat May 19, 2007 11:09pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
What if the home team is batting in the top of the 6th, they are down by one, bases loaded, nobody out? You guys have not made it clear what would happen in that situation. Would the score revert to the last completed inning, or would we have to resume the game at a later time? 4.12 does not help with this situation and yes I am well aware that the rulebook has an index at the back (or front in my case).

If the home team is batting in the top of the 6th the coaching staffs for both teams and both of the umpires are all screwed up. I would like to think this an impossible situation.

Let's assume the visitors were really batting in the top of the 6th. 4.12(5) spells out your situation. If the visiting team has not taken the lead after trailing after the 5th, the game is over. Suspended would only apply if they trailed after 5, and took the lead in the top of the 6th, when the lightning came.

canadaump6 Sun May 20, 2007 01:21am

Looks like I messed up on this one guys. I meant to say "let's say the home team is batting in the bottom half of the 6th". It probably raised a lot of confusion, and it will be too hard to backtrack on what was said. I know the moderators like to lock threads, so I would like for this one to be locked up too.

bob jenkins Sun May 20, 2007 06:51am

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
What if the visiting team is batting in the bottom of the 6th,

same problem as before.

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they are down by one, bases loaded, nobody out? You guys have not made it clear what would happen in that situation. Would the score revert to the last completed inning, or would we have to resume the game at a later time? 4.12 does not help with this situation and yes I am well aware that the rulebook has an index at the back (or front in my case).
If the game has gone enough innings to be a regulation game, and the home team is winning, it's an official game -- the home team wins.

If the visitors were ahead at the end of the last inning and are still ahead, it's an official game -- the visitors win.

If the home team was ahead at the end of the last inning, but the visitors are now ahead, it's either a suspended game or the score reverts, depending on what rules baseball canada has adopted.

GarthB Sun May 20, 2007 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
That's not what he said.

Yes it is, until he edited it to: "What if the visiting team is batting in the bottom of the 6th...", which is no better.

RIF, Paul.

BTW, greetings from NYC. Two wonderful games so far...the Yankees lost both!

Jurassic Referee Sun May 20, 2007 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB

BTW, greetings from NYC. Two wonderful games so far...the Yankees lost both!

http://static.flickr.com/58/223294317_2dd0ea89d3_o.jpg

GarthB Sun May 20, 2007 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Oh, great. Now I have to change the shirt I spit my coffee on before we head for the "7" train.

Rich Ives Sun May 20, 2007 04:20pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Oh, great. Now I have to change the shirt I spit my coffee on before we head for the "7" train.

During the Subway WS, Costas got the 7 and the 4 backwards and the network switchboard lit up like a Christmas tree. He came back from a break with a hurried correction.

Rich Ives Sun May 20, 2007 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A true New Yorker . . . .

Which leads to:

Anyone who says he is both a Mets fan and a Yankees fan is a liar.

Jurassic Referee Sun May 20, 2007 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Anyone who says he is both a Mets fan and a Yankees fan is a liar.

It's true, it's true.....

Dan_ref Sun May 20, 2007 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
A true New Yorker . . .


Well, I guess only a non New Yorker would be silly enough to believe this isn't a photoshop job.

Enjoy...where you from anyway, Rube? See that bridge over there...yours for $300.

http://139.photobucket.com/albums/e1...nRedSoxFan.jpg

Rich Ives Sun May 20, 2007 06:38pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Well, I guess only a non New Yorker would be silly enough to believe this isn't a photoshop job.

Enjoy...where you from anyway, Rube? See that bridge over there...yours for $300.

http://139.photobucket.com/albums/e1...nRedSoxFan.jpg

Both versions look like a Photoshop job. The logos aren't aligned with the shirt in either one.

SanDiegoSteve Sun May 20, 2007 10:10pm

Wow, this little kid sure gets around!:)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2...kidcopyat7.jpg

GarthB Mon May 21, 2007 10:54am

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
Sorry to disappoint you there, Beavis, but which post are you referring to?

Duh!

That would be the post I quoted, Paul, post 4, the post Canadaump6 then changed to be equally confusing. Also, that would be the same post Bob Jenkins quoted.

Again, RIF, Paul, even in Texas.

NewUmpinCT Mon May 21, 2007 01:25pm

Wow!!! Did He Say that???
 
I'm new and didn't have to think twice... Game is official after 4 1/2 w/ Home team up or after 5 inn w/ home team down.

Then to come back with Visiting batting in bottom of 6th...
Thanks for the comic relief..

BigGuy Mon May 21, 2007 03:41pm

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Originally Posted by TwoBits
You've played 5 complete innings. Under OBR (which I'm pretty sure you're playing under after reading several of your posts, Canadaump), the home team is winning, and the game is official. No need to finish it at a later date.

Didn't OBR just change the rule this year - games are now suspended instead of considered completed. This happened once to either the Cubs or White Sox this year. They finished the game the next day, then played the regular game.

Steven Tyler Mon May 21, 2007 04:35pm

Just a guess
 
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Originally Posted by BigGuy
Didn't OBR just change the rule this year - games are now suspended instead of considered completed. This happened once to either the Cubs or White Sox this year. They finished the game the next day, then played the regular game.

I do believe you are correct in your rule change interp. I think MLB got tired of games that went over five innings and were re-played from the start. I don't know what they do if both teams have to travel the next day and are not scheduled to play again. I suppose they pick it up at the end of the season if it means anything in the standings. This way all stats in the suspended game count, also. They most likely don't get recorded if the game is not made official, however.

canadaump6 Mon May 21, 2007 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
I think MLB got tired of games that went over five innings and were re-played from the start.

If the game is not tied, then the score is final, unless of course the visiting team comes back to tie or take the lead in the top half of the sixth inning onwards. The new suspension rule comes into play when there is a tie game. In the past these game would be played right from the start, even if they went extra innings. Now these games are played at a later date. But as I was saying, it's not a suspended game unless the visiting team takes the lead or ties the game in the top half of their inning.

bob jenkins Mon May 21, 2007 08:37pm

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Originally Posted by BigGuy
Didn't OBR just change the rule this year - games are now suspended instead of considered completed. This happened once to either the Cubs or White Sox this year. They finished the game the next day, then played the regular game.

That's for "tie" games -- before, they would be started over; now they are suspended and resumed.

If one team is winning (unless the visitors took the lead and teh home team hasn't batted), and the game has gopne 5 innings, then it's a completed game and the team that's ahead wins.

umpduck11 Mon May 21, 2007 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Wow, this little kid sure gets around!:)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2...kidcopyat7.jpg

I'll say he gets around. The first time i saw him, about two years ago, the
little scutter was an Auburn University fan. Figures that he's a Sox fan, too.

SanDiegoSteve Tue May 22, 2007 12:37am

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Originally Posted by umpduck11
I'll say he gets around. The first time i saw him, about two years ago, the
little scutter was an Auburn University fan. Figures that he's a Sox fan, too.

Just for old times sake I made you a new one. Looks like he's a San Diego Steve fan too! Go figure.:D

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1250/auburnkidru8.jpg


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