TOTALLY agree.

Bob

The aforementioned is good for debate, but in general the FYC is done at the time the player shows you up.

In the situation presented it was already strike 3 so the player should be dumped in a heartbeat.

In addition the particpants need to be knowledgeable.

Example: I had a CBL game (good talent) in which F1 had a mean curve. I called strike 2 on the batter and he proceeded to draw the line. Unfortunately in baseball unlike other sports, we do not have anyway to penalize the team other than ejection, however, in certain situations and not all game long we can send an FYC.

In the aforementioned situation I didn't tell F2 anything as I didn't have to. When F2 saw that I didn't toss the batter, he knew what I was doing. He set up some 5-6 inches off the outside edge of the plate and I proceeded to ring up the batter.

The next time the same batter came up he said "Blue can we start over" and I said sure. No problems the remainder of the game.

Summary: You need to know the teams, calibur of ball being called etc., however, once it is strike 3 then IMO it's already too late to send an FYC and the player then has to be dumped.

Pete Booth

The only time I'd tell a catcher to do anything is when i have a batter wandering aimlessly in between pitches, I'll tell the catcher (if I tap you on the back that just means have him pitch, tell him this in the dugout).

I'll also alert the batting team's manager next time he runs out to coach third base to have his kids staying around the box (preferably with a foot in it).

Then if the crap continues of the kid taking 10 steps out and 2 practice swings, look at the coach for 10 seconds, then step back in, I'll just tap the catcher and I know it won't happen again.

Only had to do it once my whole career.

Is this cheating too?

Hopefully without sounding too stupid (a usual occurance for me) - what excatly is FYC?

I was talking to another buddy about this, who lives in Ohio, that does college ball - D1 & 2. He called a ball on a batter in a D1 game that the pitcher disagreed with - and the pitcher came off the mound and stared at my buddy and then pointed at him! My buddy told the catcher to go tell his "buddy" that he just f--ked up. Next 3 pitches were balls including one right down the middle. The coach came out and said to my buddy, "Charlie, that pitch looked right down the middle" - "Yep it was, best advice I can tell you coach is to get someone else on the mound". By the time someone was ready, they had walked the bases loaded. The coach didn't get pi$$ed at the ump but rather immediately went to the bull pen.

Thanks for the help!

Great example of an FYC.

It would appear that PeteBooth, unlike a certain MiLB umpire who got caught on video, was paying close attention the day they covered FYCs at the umpire school he attended. ;)

JM

Your buddy is an idiot.

No doubt! That's a big finger ejection every time. I wonder where some of these men learned these ridiculous game management skills.


Tim.

More like a p*ssy. A pitcher points at you , and you don't dump him?! Jeez, do you even bother to wear a cup?

:D I was PU at a D1 game and F1 did not like my inside corner position, after I sent the catcher out twice, i asked the catcher to talk to his manager between innings as his pitcher was getting into trouble. the manager brought out a new pitcher the next inning and we had a good game with no complaints

By D1 do you mean Division 1 NCAA, or LL District 1 somewhere?


Tim.

:D I was the fill-in that got called for the NCAA in my area. I did fill-ins for a couple of years, but my job restricted me too much, so I stopped.

:D I have to say that this was not me! I have never screwed over a team like this. I've always talked to the catcher or the manager. those two are the only ones on the team I normally talk to.

FYC will get you hurt. Pull that nonsense on a team with any baseball savvy, and you'll have a hit/inside pitch that "crosses up" the catcher. Stupid, juvenile and dangerous. It might have been taught years ago, but I can't imagine it being taught now. If it is, it should be buried right next to Joe Wests plate stance.